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  • Sir_GodspeedSir_Godspeed Registered Users Posts: 3,377
    MikhaelH said:

    gorgos96 said:

    What even is Karlf Franz's Empire anymore? Theyre not the ultimate gunpowder human faction. Theyre not the most populous nation. Theyre not the mightiest human army. All of those are now suddenly Cathay. They even got god emperors. Cathay has superior frontlines and range too btw (going by the faq description)

    So what even is Reikland anymore?

    While i dont subscribe to the premise of this post, an interesting lore question arises. In most of the old lore its emphasized over and over that the Empire of Man is the largest, most populous and most powerful human Empire, often "Nation" period (irrespective of species) in the whole setting. So much so that its simply called the empire, or empire of man, not the empire of germany or w.e, its primacy is evident even in its name. Obviously this is now being turned on its head with the new Cathay canon and hype, its a bit of a head scratcher. But all lore can be retconned I suppose.
    That Cathay has been comparable to the Empire in power, or possibly even outsizing it, has actually been a part of the lore for a loooong time. I don't exactly remember when, but I recall reading about that at least as far back as the early 2000s, and that wasn't new lore at the time either.

    The difference was that no one actually seriously expected Cathay to become playable, and so it was always this background lore reference, hinting at a bigger world, and wars elsewhere. While Cathay was perhaps more powerful in isolation, it was never a central player in world events, having fewer connections to the Elves, Dwarves, etc., that the Empire in the Old World.
  • DulahanDulahan Registered Users Posts: 214
    The lore has said Cathay was since like 2nd Edition. The Empire is the biggest in that part of the world (The Old World) which wasn't exactly the 'whole world' originally.
  • PhobochaiPhobochai Registered Users Posts: 27

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    They are human factions, ofc it will be similar.

    Not so many ways to make humans + gunpowder vary.

    However, to me it seems like Empire will retain its cav edge, with Demigryph Knights, while Cathay will make up for its lacking in that department with flying cav & lantern gunship & the sentinel SEM.

    Don't forget Empire has far more lores of magic to wield in battle. Particularly Lore of Life, which is still one of the best lores, with healing, buffs, and great damage potential vs blobs.
  • PhobochaiPhobochai Registered Users Posts: 27

    gorgos96 said:

    Nyxilis said:



    Far as unit strength? You drew all that from the FAQ? Nice crystal ball. Gonna wait till I see actual combat demonstrations and stats.

    Fair. Im just worried that CA will shatter the old Empire's characteristic in order to penetrate Chinese market.

    And tbh, the faq indeed points towards my assumptions.

    Cathay is awesome for everyone. The idea that it's for any one market is simply baseless.

    Yeah this kind of thinking is just so backwards. I'm not Chinese, but I look forward to WH3 Cathay. I am not Germanic, but I really liked the Empire in WH1 and 2. Not French, enjoyed Bretonnia a lot, even with the bad cav in this game.

    Heck I am not even Rat and I have fun playing Skaven..
  • Qwerty55Qwerty55 Registered Users Posts: 727
    MikhaelH said:

    gorgos96 said:

    What even is Karlf Franz's Empire anymore? Theyre not the ultimate gunpowder human faction. Theyre not the most populous nation. Theyre not the mightiest human army. All of those are now suddenly Cathay. They even got god emperors. Cathay has superior frontlines and range too btw (going by the faq description)

    So what even is Reikland anymore?

    While i dont subscribe to the premise of this post, an interesting lore question arises. In most of the old lore its emphasized over and over that the Empire of Man is the largest, most populous and most powerful human Empire, often "Nation" period (irrespective of species) in the whole setting. So much so that its simply called the empire, or empire of man, not the empire of germany or w.e, its primacy is evident even in its name. Obviously this is now being turned on its head with the new Cathay canon and hype, its a bit of a head scratcher. But all lore can be retconned I suppose.
    Pretty sure Cathay has always been described as the biggest and most populated human faction of Warhammer Fantasy. Empire isn't the biggest, never has been.
  • RyanSewellRyanSewell Registered Users Posts: 109
    Given one was based off the HRE and the other Imperial China none of this should be surprising to anyone, nor is this particular thing a big retcon. The Dragon Emperor's children and wife are new but other things about Cathay being an enormous eastern power aren't.
  • MikhaelHMikhaelH Member Registered Users Posts: 221
    edited September 15
    Pretty sure Cathay has always been described as the biggest and most populated human faction of Warhammer Fantasy. Empire isn't the biggest, never has been.


    Not sure what there is to disagree with in my post. Its says right on page 6 of the empire army book 8th edition amongst other sources that the empire is the strongest realm of men in the warhammer world. I'm not really making an argument just an observation at the changing times.

    To quote"...and it is the most powerful of all the realms of men."
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    Im not that people so Im good
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379
    edited September 15

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    Im not that people so Im good

    gorgos96 said:

    Nyxilis said:



    Far as unit strength? You drew all that from the FAQ? Nice crystal ball. Gonna wait till I see actual combat demonstrations and stats.

    Fair. Im just worried that CA will shatter the old Empire's characteristic in order to penetrate Chinese market.

    And tbh, the faq indeed points towards my assumptions.

    Cathay is awesome for everyone. The idea that it's for any one market is simply baseless.
    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.
  • Commissar_GCommissar_G Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,646

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    New thing = Empire but better
    New humans = Empire but cooler.

    This is the crux of the complaints. The Empire has deliberately been kept relatively grounded by keeping monsters to an absolute minimum.

    They don't seem to understand that is the charm of The Empire.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,216
    Not to be that guy, but for about 80% of human history, China was almost always one of if not the most technologically advanced nation in the world, whereas the Empire's real life counterpart didn't really get anywhere close to that until the 1800's. It makes some sense that Cathay seems more developed than the Empire, especially with how magic looks to play a bigger role, on top of a literal god emperor.

    That said, the Empire being this strangely grounded faction while also having clear fantastical flair like the mechanical horses, magisters, halflings, and Sigmar is what makes it so interesting to play.
  • NemoTheElf101NemoTheElf101 Registered Users Posts: 2,216
    edited September 15
  • RyanSewellRyanSewell Registered Users Posts: 109
    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379

    Not to be that guy, but for about 80% of human history, China was almost always one of if not the most technologically advanced nation in the world, whereas the Empire's real life counterpart didn't really get anywhere close to that until the 1800's. It makes some sense that Cathay seems more developed than the Empire, especially with how magic looks to play a bigger role, on top of a literal god emperor.

    That said, the Empire being this strangely grounded faction while also having clear fantastical flair like the mechanical horses, magisters, halflings, and Sigmar is what makes it so interesting to play.

    Ok so lets give them better tech, bigger nation, cavalry, better infantry, better range, monsters, fliers. Then it goes back to my original question. What is Reikland anymore?

    Are you suggesting the gimmick of pllaying as the Reikland should be to be inferior in every conceivable way to other factions?
  • PhobochaiPhobochai Registered Users Posts: 27
    gorgos96 said:

    Not to be that guy, but for about 80% of human history, China was almost always one of if not the most technologically advanced nation in the world, whereas the Empire's real life counterpart didn't really get anywhere close to that until the 1800's. It makes some sense that Cathay seems more developed than the Empire, especially with how magic looks to play a bigger role, on top of a literal god emperor.

    That said, the Empire being this strangely grounded faction while also having clear fantastical flair like the mechanical horses, magisters, halflings, and Sigmar is what makes it so interesting to play.

    Ok so lets give them better tech, bigger nation, cavalry, better infantry, better range, monsters, fliers. Then it goes back to my original question. What is Reikland anymore?

    Are you suggesting the gimmick of pllaying as the Reikland should be to be inferior in every conceivable way to other factions?
    Hyperbole much?

    Empire has great tech in the form of artillery & siege tank. It's got great magic casters with lots of lores to pick. One of the best cav nations. Only missing monsters & flyers.

    Cathay gets monster & flyer, while most likely having crap cav and only 2 lores of magic to pick.
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379
    Phobochai said:

    gorgos96 said:

    Not to be that guy, but for about 80% of human history, China was almost always one of if not the most technologically advanced nation in the world, whereas the Empire's real life counterpart didn't really get anywhere close to that until the 1800's. It makes some sense that Cathay seems more developed than the Empire, especially with how magic looks to play a bigger role, on top of a literal god emperor.

    That said, the Empire being this strangely grounded faction while also having clear fantastical flair like the mechanical horses, magisters, halflings, and Sigmar is what makes it so interesting to play.

    Ok so lets give them better tech, bigger nation, cavalry, better infantry, better range, monsters, fliers. Then it goes back to my original question. What is Reikland anymore?

    Are you suggesting the gimmick of pllaying as the Reikland should be to be inferior in every conceivable way to other factions?
    Hyperbole much?

    Empire has great tech in the form of artillery & siege tank. It's got great magic casters with lots of lores to pick. One of the best cav nations. Only missing monsters & flyers.

    Cathay gets monster & flyer, while most likely having crap cav and only 2 lores of magic to pick.
    Cathay has armored cav too. Only cav empire has over them is demigryph. Cathay has better tech as we see in the trailer that they use bolt action rifles instead of empires inferior muzzle loader rifles. Cathay has rockets too which is the equal of Empires top tier artillery hellstrom. Only tech piece empire has over them is the steam tank. Cathay also have flying artillery and gunpowder which is again a clear advantage over empire.
  • talonntalonn Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,425
    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    Empire still has more steel than Cathay though
  • Mabbon_EtogaurMabbon_Etogaur Registered Users Posts: 10
    MikhaelH said:

    gorgos96 said:

    What even is Karlf Franz's Empire anymore? Theyre not the ultimate gunpowder human faction. Theyre not the most populous nation. Theyre not the mightiest human army. All of those are now suddenly Cathay. They even got god emperors. Cathay has superior frontlines and range too btw (going by the faq description)

    So what even is Reikland anymore?

    While i dont subscribe to the premise of this post, an interesting lore question arises. In most of the old lore its emphasized over and over that the Empire of Man is the largest, most populous and most powerful human Empire, often "Nation" period (irrespective of species) in the whole setting. So much so that its simply called the empire, or empire of man, not the empire of germany or w.e, its primacy is evident even in its name. Obviously this is now being turned on its head with the new Cathay canon and hype, its a bit of a head scratcher. But all lore can be retconned I suppose.
    The lore mentioned and use the old world most of the time when they write about the empier's might.
    This is refer a region in the warhammer world, where truely the empier is the biggest human faction.
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    New thing = Empire but better
    New humans = Empire but cooler.

    This is the crux of the complaints. The Empire has deliberately been kept relatively grounded by keeping monsters to an absolute minimum.

    They don't seem to understand that is the charm of The Empire.
    and they made up for it with steel and gunpowder, which is inferior to Cathay.
  • talonntalonn Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,425
    gorgos96 said:

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    New thing = Empire but better
    New humans = Empire but cooler.

    This is the crux of the complaints. The Empire has deliberately been kept relatively grounded by keeping monsters to an absolute minimum.

    They don't seem to understand that is the charm of The Empire.
    and they made up for it with steel and gunpowder, which is inferior to Cathay.
    it's really too early to say. We have not seen the stats and roster. Don't be fool by glorified actions in the trailer
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379
    talonn said:

    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    Empire still has more steel than Cathay though
    How so? They have armored frontlines as opposed to state troopers of Empire. They have armored cav, light cav and flier cav as we saw on pictures and the article.
  • talonntalonn Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,425
    gorgos96 said:

    talonn said:

    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    Empire still has more steel than Cathay though
    How so? They have armored frontlines as opposed to state troopers of Empire. They have armored cav, light cav and flier cav as we saw on pictures and the article.
    I wont be talking about the stats as it has not been revealed.

    But aesthetically, Empire are already using plate armors everywhere for both their infantry and cav, where as Cathay still use lamelar mix for most.

    Not to mention Steam tanks which embellish the meaning of steel
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379
    talonn said:

    gorgos96 said:

    People called Kislev Empire 2.0 make up your mind

    New thing = Empire but better
    New humans = Empire but cooler.

    This is the crux of the complaints. The Empire has deliberately been kept relatively grounded by keeping monsters to an absolute minimum.

    They don't seem to understand that is the charm of The Empire.
    and they made up for it with steel and gunpowder, which is inferior to Cathay.
    it's really too early to say. We have not seen the stats and roster. Don't be fool by glorified actions in the trailer
    In the trailer we see the Cathay rifles are bolt action which are superior to muzzle loaders of Empire. But I hope you're right. They might be just showing off to create hype and I hope that's the case.
  • NyxilisNyxilis Registered Users Posts: 5,414
    MikhaelH said:

    gorgos96 said:

    What even is Karlf Franz's Empire anymore? Theyre not the ultimate gunpowder human faction. Theyre not the most populous nation. Theyre not the mightiest human army. All of those are now suddenly Cathay. They even got god emperors. Cathay has superior frontlines and range too btw (going by the faq description)

    So what even is Reikland anymore?

    While i dont subscribe to the premise of this post, an interesting lore question arises. In most of the old lore its emphasized over and over that the Empire of Man is the largest, most populous and most powerful human Empire, often "Nation" period (irrespective of species) in the whole setting. So much so that its simply called the empire, or empire of man, not the empire of germany or w.e, its primacy is evident even in its name. Obviously this is now being turned on its head with the new Cathay canon and hype, its a bit of a head scratcher. But all lore can be retconned I suppose.
    Except not really, Grand Cathay was described in the scant lore as populous and having held out Chaos invasions in it's own right. It was always vaguely alluded to being quite strong.

    The Empire is strong when United, bit the reality was it was always a lot less than people give it credit. It has provinces attack other ones and only really rallies full stop when Chaos comes knocking. Even the Vampire Counts rarely rallied the sum total as they politically don't care.

    So it's often a gridlocked beast with Franz regarded as capable merely because he got it to do mostly what he wanted.
  • RyanSewellRyanSewell Registered Users Posts: 109
    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    This is an enormous overreaction. Does Cathay have better tech? Does it have cavalry as strong as the Empire? Does it have the same variety in magic, artillery, hero choices etc.

  • AlchimistAlchimist Registered Users Posts: 290
    Cathay will most likely have a worst cavalry, it probably won't have access to all of the core lore of magic, their melee units will have to work in harmony with their ranged ones, meaning if one is gone they'll loose some stats, and the Empire might still have a greater number of artillery pieces.

    Furthermore, as far as the lore goes, it was always written from the Old World point of view, leaving Cathay as an unknown, but it makes perfect sense that Cathay would be the "Empire" of the east. You can also see the Empire of Man as the only nation that is really governed by humanity and following a human god, while Cathay is governed by dragons.
  • gorgos96gorgos96 Member Registered Users Posts: 379
    edited September 15

    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    This is an enormous overreaction. Does Cathay have better tech? Does it have cavalry as strong as the Empire? Does it have the same variety in magic, artillery, hero choices etc.

    I say they have better tech because they have flying war machines and in the trailer we see that their rifles are bolt action instead of muzzle loaders. For cavalry, first of all Empire cav is not that good anyway (notice Im saying cav, not monstrous cav). And from the faq and screenshots we know that Cathay will have flying cav, armored cav and light cav. So they will likely be similar in power level of ground cav but they will have the advantage of flyer cav. It doesn't have the same variety of magic but it doesnt mean theyre weak magic users as trailer, interviews and the faq indicates theyre top tier magic casters. They dont have the steam tank yeah, but they have rockets, mortars and flying artillery. I think other than steam tank their artillery arsenal wins out because of the flying option. Even if we exclude flying artillery, then they would be on par since Empire's strongest artillery is Hellstorm and Cathay has it as well.
  • User_ClueUser_Clue Registered Users Posts: 959
    edited September 15

    Not to be that guy, but for about 80% of human history, China was almost always one of if not the most technologically advanced nation in the world, whereas the Empire's real life counterpart didn't really get anywhere close to that until the 1800's. It makes some sense that Cathay seems more developed than the Empire, especially with how magic looks to play a bigger role, on top of a literal god emperor.

    That said, the Empire being this strangely grounded faction while also having clear fantastical flair like the mechanical horses, magisters, halflings, and Sigmar is what makes it so interesting to play.

    Considering what most would understand as China has only existed for about 1/3 of what we consider the history of human civilization, I'm not sure how accurate your statement is.

    The early nations of the Fertile crest beat china to the very concept of large scale civilizations and nations by thousands of years. While the Egyptians were completing great works, making scientific and cultural advancements, and creating long lived art, China was still in the Neolithic era. Europe also started outpacing china around the 1400 or 1500s. The Warhammer World is probably somewhere around the 1600s or possibly later relative to our own history based on when we know humans started forming nations in Warhammer.

    That doesn't matter anyway because the reality of Warhammer should create a human history that is completely alien to the real world, especially when it comes to advancements in technology and society. Situation, more than anything, determines how we advance.
    "Daemons are abroad again, and the servants of the foul gods march south with the storm at their backs. But as the winds of magic stir, other powers rise to contest it.
    I have seen the Lady, my brothers. She came to me from the waters and told me of the trials to come. This is why I call you here, so that her summons may be answered. I call Errantry, a crusade to strike at the heart of the new darkness"


    -- The Lionhearted
  • RyanSewellRyanSewell Registered Users Posts: 109
    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:

    gorgos96 said:



    Cmon now. There are way more popular races e on that part of the world that had already established lore and books. Them choosing cathay out of those possibilities sure is a marketing strategy that aims at the Chinese markets. Im not against the inclusion of china in the game mind you. But Im against the notion of it being at the cost of destroying everything the empire was for the sake of it.

    This isn't close to destroying everything the empire was. This was a basically unexplored and unknown part of the world with a lot of delivery mystery to it. The empire still exists as the dominant human civilisation of the west.

    Their chraisma steemed from using gunpowder and steel without monsters and other creatures to face unworldly abominations. But cathay does those as well as deploying monsters, fliers and even better tech. Empire is now just inferior Cathay.

    The Warhammer setting which embraces balance through imbalance contradicts this very notion of a faction being a clear upgrade to another one.
    This is an enormous overreaction. Does Cathay have better tech? Does it have cavalry as strong as the Empire? Does it have the same variety in magic, artillery, hero choices etc.

    I say they have better tech because they have flying war machines and in the trailer we see that their rifles are bolt action instead of muzzle loaders. For cavalry, first of all Empire cav is not that good anyway (notice Im saying cav, not monstrous cav). And from the faq and screenshots we know that Cathay will have flying cav, armored cav and light cav. So they will likely be similar in power level of ground cav but they will have the advantage of flyer cav. It doesn't have the same variety of magic but it doesnt mean theyre weak magic users as trailer, interviews and the faq indicates theyre top tier magic casters. They dont have the steam tank yeah, but they have rockets, mortars and flying artillery. I think other than steam tank their artillery arsenal wins out because of the flying option. Even if we exclude flying artillery, then they would be on par since Empire's strongest artillery is Hellstorm and Cathay has it as well.
    They have better tech because of one unit which we know almost nothing about and different animations for missile units.
    They have similar level cav because they have cav.
    They have on par artillery because they have some basic artillery but miss out on the steam tank.

    You might end up being right but this isn't clear from this. It's a release trailer for Cathay, they should look good. They lack the Empire's variety in magic and lack the range of artillery the Empire has (or its top-end specialist pieces). We have no idea if their cavalry or infantry will be total chaff, we can safely expect their missile infantry to be good because CA have told us. The rest is just your worst fears and nothing else.
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