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  • VildvargVildvarg Registered Users Posts: 1,231
    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    You're plain rude at this point, but I'll let you in on a little secret : I'm not into women. There, now, can we talk like actual civilized human beings, or do you intend on keeping drooling at the mouth about how same-sex relationships are actually only a sexual fetish ? Because this is your personal view of it, dude, and an excessively creepy one.

    Anyways, back to the main point, yes, the trailer shows two people showing a clear display of affection, with the dread of war approaching. You can read it as sisters, close friends or lovers. I choose to read it as lovers because it's badass and tragic and interesting and refreshing. On that subject, there's already same-sex relationships in this very trilogy, it's explictly mentioned that Felicion had a relation with a Norscan chieftess in the Druchii campaign. So it's nothing new or brazen.
    I don't think I or anyone else are saying that you can't choose to headcannon things as you like. Or even that same sex relationships don't exist in Warhammer.

    Just that nothing marketed to China is not going to show it because they're extremely heavy on censorship of anything they don't deem acceptable.

    I wouldn't say you're maintaining a 'ruse' myself, just being a touch idealistic and naive about China's policies at the absolute worst.
  • Man2008kindMan2008kind Bucharest, RomaniaRegistered Users Posts: 1,819
    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    Anyways, back to the main point, yes, the trailer shows two people showing a clear display of affection, with the dread of war approaching. You can read it as sisters, close friends or lovers.
    You might have stayed on the internet for too long. Hand shaking isn't a sign of affection, it is most commonly done by buisniess parteners.
  • yolordmcswagyolordmcswag Registered Users Posts: 3,802

    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    Anyways, back to the main point, yes, the trailer shows two people showing a clear display of affection, with the dread of war approaching. You can read it as sisters, close friends or lovers.
    You might have stayed on the internet for too long. Hand shaking isn't a sign of affection, it is most commonly done by buisniess parteners.
    "I'm probably going to die soon. I only have a short time before I go to battle, what should I do? I know, make a business deal, and smile fondly at my business partner for the profitable deal we made".

    It is very obviously a show of affection. Not neccessarily romantic, although possibly.
    Vildvarg said:

    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    You're plain rude at this point, but I'll let you in on a little secret : I'm not into women. There, now, can we talk like actual civilized human beings, or do you intend on keeping drooling at the mouth about how same-sex relationships are actually only a sexual fetish ? Because this is your personal view of it, dude, and an excessively creepy one.

    Anyways, back to the main point, yes, the trailer shows two people showing a clear display of affection, with the dread of war approaching. You can read it as sisters, close friends or lovers. I choose to read it as lovers because it's badass and tragic and interesting and refreshing. On that subject, there's already same-sex relationships in this very trilogy, it's explictly mentioned that Felicion had a relation with a Norscan chieftess in the Druchii campaign. So it's nothing new or brazen.
    I don't think I or anyone else are saying that you can't choose to headcannon things as you like. Or even that same sex relationships don't exist in Warhammer.

    Just that nothing marketed to China is not going to show it because they're extremely heavy on censorship of anything they don't deem acceptable.

    I wouldn't say you're maintaining a 'ruse' myself, just being a touch idealistic and naive about China's policies at the absolute worst.
    Th chinese government didn't make the trailer though. They can say "they arte not lesbian", and even ban saying it, or cut that part from the trailer. But the chinese government can't decide that the nature of the relationship in the trailer. Only CA can make a statement on what the "canon" is for it. And unless they do, any interpretation is equally valid. The chinese government is certainly among the last people I would have dictating my thoughts.

    Also, as said above, there is a lesbian couple in game 2. Which is sold in China. I don't know whether it's censored or changed in the chinese version, but that doesn't really matter. CA clearly makes LGBT+ characters in the total war warhammer series, despite the chinese government.
  • DragonbroodlingsDragonbroodlings Registered Users Posts: 206
    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    You're plain rude at this point, but I'll let you in on a little secret : I'm not into women. There, now, can we talk like actual civilized human beings, or do you intend on keeping drooling at the mouth about how same-sex relationships are actually only a sexual fetish ? Because this is your personal view of it, dude, and an excessively creepy one.

    Anyways, back to the main point, yes, the trailer shows two people showing a clear display of affection, with the dread of war approaching. You can read it as sisters, close friends or lovers. I choose to read it as lovers because it's badass and tragic and interesting and refreshing. On that subject, there's already same-sex relationships in this very trilogy, it's explictly mentioned that Felicion had a relation with a Norscan chieftess in the Druchii campaign. So it's nothing new or brazen.
    I know that you're gay, and I have no problem with it. You've stated or hinted that elsewhere on the forums. I have a problem with people sexualizing normal human relationships. I hate the waifu/husbando crap. I hate people asking for "prettier" in game models for women characters. I hate people objectifying men and women characters in a video game/media in general. I hate "shipping" characters. I hate sexualized artwork. I hate how so much has to be about sex, and certain people, like yourself, have to inject it into everyone's face. I come to these boards specifically because it just isn't as prevalent here compared to a place like Reddit.

    Let me lay it out because you've been choosing to misrepresent what I've been saying and attacking me constantly because of your deviant, unwholesome fetish (assigning sexual relationships to normal human interaction). It was refreshing to have a trailer where two women had a normal, true to life, non sexual interaction before going into battle. I have two little girls at home. One is very new to life. I show them affection. I have a brother and two sisters. I show them affection. I work in healthcare and have held the hands of dying people or people under great duress. The last thing I need is for someone to sexualize my interactions with my family members, friends, or acquaintances. It all starts in your head, and degeneracy isn't a harmless thing. 99+% of humans interacting with each other is non sexual. Not everything has to be about your weird, made up sense of reality.

    And I must apologize if you think or thought I was attacking your sexuality. That's not the issue I have with your original or later posts. And I think you post many well thought out and meaningful things on the board in general.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 4,820
    Maybe it's because of me not being a native speaker, but I genuinely do not understand why you keep talking about sexuality and sexualizing and whatnot when I'm talking about love.

    I've never talked about anything even remotely sexual. The trailer shows a display of affection with a lingering shot between those two women. Maybe they're sisters, maybe they're besties, maybe they're a couple, but whatever the case, it's clearly non-sexual. Or are you suggesting that it would be sexual too if they were sisters ? I'm genuinely confused, because the gesture doesn't change, and nor does the meaning !

    There's is a big difference between love and sex. This here was a display of love. And hence, wether it's sisterly or romantic, it doesn't change that it's still non-sexual, and just love !

    Like, when you hear two people are a couple, you don't immeditaly picture them ****, that's just weird ! Well, it's the same here ! Saying that two people looks in love, or a couple, or close, it doesn't means that you're thinking about them getting dirty !

    I'd have understand your argument if it was against one of those Imrik riding Miao Ying jokes, those are clearly sexual jokes about a funny pairing of two characters, but here, i'm genuinely perplexed !
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  • DragonbroodlingsDragonbroodlings Registered Users Posts: 206
    Maelas said:

    Maybe it's because of me not being a native speaker, but I genuinely do not understand why you keep talking about sexuality and sexualizing and whatnot when I'm talking about love.

    I've never talked about anything even remotely sexual. The trailer shows a display of affection with a lingering shot between those two women. Maybe they're sisters, maybe they're besties, maybe they're a couple, but whatever the case, it's clearly non-sexual. Or are you suggesting that it would be sexual too if they were sisters ? I'm genuinely confused, because the gesture doesn't change, and nor does the meaning !

    There's is a big difference between love and sex. This here was a display of love. And hence, wether it's sisterly or romantic, it doesn't change that it's still non-sexual, and just love !

    Like, when you hear two people are a couple, you don't immeditaly picture them ****, that's just weird ! Well, it's the same here ! Saying that two people looks in love, or a couple, or close, it doesn't means that you're thinking about them getting dirty !

    I'd have understand your argument if it was against one of those Imrik riding Miao Ying jokes, those are clearly sexual jokes about a funny pairing of two characters, but here, i'm genuinely perplexed !

    Oooooooh, it is a non native speaker thing then. Putting the word sisters in a bunch of quotes in the specific context that you did it in makes it sexual or is most likely to be understood that way. Sorry bro. Complete misunderstanding here. Thanks for clearing it up. I totally get where you're coming from now. I just saw it as a loving relationship and thought you were sexualizing it. I would think that I was an unhinged lunatic too from your position. Sorry again.

    The Imrik thing is something that specifically bothers me. Like, why can't I have a cool character without it being about sex? And the fawning over the dragon woman too. I think more people need to get out and experience non digital life and form meaningful relationships. I'm super off topic now. At least we know some more about each other and I hope we can be forum friends. I hope your day is good too.
  • DragantisDragantis PolandRegistered Users Posts: 385
    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    Anyways, back to the main point,
    Could you really go back to the main point and discuses If Cathay lose in the trailer? and if yes, what this mean for possible starting position in WH3 map. Or could it be that Tzeentch attacked from inside of Cathay?
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  • VildvargVildvarg Registered Users Posts: 1,231
    Dragantis said:

    Maelas said:


    Everyone saw through your ruse. Nice try though. You can backpedal as hard as you want.

    Anyways, back to the main point,
    Could you really go back to the main point and discuses If Cathay lose in the trailer? and if yes, what this mean for possible starting position in WH3 map. Or could it be that Tzeentch attacked from inside of Cathay?
    It looked like Tzeentch forces were penetrating pretty aggressively, but what's her face came in to turn the tide and it was left intentionally undecided.

    I don't think it means anything more than to showcase a chaos incursion into Cathay facing off against the forces of dragon lady.

    I don't think there's really much more to read into it personally.
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