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"As powerful a magic-user as any High Elf"...

Cryptic_FreezeCryptic_Freeze Registered Users Posts: 603
I just don't get why Cathay needs to not only be compared to, but be better than all the other order factions in all aspects. This blog post is just more fuel for the one-dimensional fire...

Oh and calling Settra a villain lol
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  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,068
    Stephince said:

    Read any armybook and the race you are reading about is always better/stronger etc etc than any other race. It's just marketing.

    Given they are a newer faction, they probably will be better casters in game too.

  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,550
    Stephince said:

    Read any armybook and the race you are reading about is always better/stronger etc etc than any other race. It's just marketing.

    Are they marketing to children?
    Is this what they think makes for compelling characterization instead of SHOWING us, not telling, on how they overcome and deal with their problems?
    Better yet, did they forget they are making a strategy game? Why tell us this instead of actual meaningful shyte like faction gameplay mechanics for a game that is coming out in early 2022?
  • Cryptic_FreezeCryptic_Freeze Registered Users Posts: 603
    Stephince said:

    Read any armybook and the race you are reading about is always better/stronger etc etc than any other race. It's just marketing.

    This was a moment to create the seed of Cathay's first lore in its "new era". Now should have been a time to elaborate on the culture, economy, imperial code, etc. But instead it's just "This is Miss Ying, she's REAL COOL and doesn't afraid of anything, especially no silly boys".

    Sure, most factions are written from a boastful point of view, but that's hardly what they began with, or all that they have. All original factions have just as much infamy as they do fame.
  • mecanojavi99#6562mecanojavi99#6562 EspañaRegistered Users Posts: 10,800
    Considering that they are dragons from before the Old Ones arrived, they are older than any Elf and have had much more time to develop their magic and abilities.

    Also, she is a LL and the elder sister on top of that, she is what Mazdamundi is to other Slann.
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  • Cryptic_FreezeCryptic_Freeze Registered Users Posts: 603
    Also, there was plenty of neutral, fitting Cathayan lore to use...but instead of using 95% of it, they decided to remix the 50-60% of it they chose to go with.
  • Cryptic_FreezeCryptic_Freeze Registered Users Posts: 603

    Considering that they are dragons from before the Old Ones arrived, they are older than any Elf and have had much more time to develop their magic and abilities.

    Also, she is a LL and the elder sister on top of that, she is what Mazdamundi is to other Slann.

    But she's better than Mazdamundi, Cathay is apparently better than the entirety of the West...we should just change the name at this point. How about Ming Dynasty Warriors 3: A Soap Opera About How Great The Ming Dynasty Was.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    I mean, she's an ancient dragon. She's supposed to be able to go toe-to-toe with Lords of Change and Bloodthirsters. I sure do hope she's not getting her ass kicked by the first Elven mage fresh out the white tower !
  • DragantisDragantis PolandRegistered Users Posts: 789
    Well from what I remember lore in army books was written from race perspective and was showing off army as having most powerful unit in the worlds. For example both VC and Bretonia have "most" powerful cavalry unit. So how Cathay lore is written look same like old (8th eddition) army books.
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  • Naygir_KillazNaygir_Killaz Registered Users Posts: 1,550
    Dragantis said:

    Well from what I remember lore in army books was written from race perspective and was showing off army as having most powerful unit in the worlds. For example both VC and Bretonia have "most" powerful cavalry unit. So how Cathay lore is written look same like old (8th eddition) army books.

    The difference is that old army books also tell us more about those units and factions instead of only giving us like 2 paragraphs.
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  • LordCommanderLordCommander Registered Users Posts: 3,205

    How about Ming Dynasty Warriors 3: A Soap Opera About How Great The Ming Dynasty Was.

    In fairness their vase game was second to none.
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  • mecanojavi99#6562mecanojavi99#6562 EspañaRegistered Users Posts: 10,800

    Considering that they are dragons from before the Old Ones arrived, they are older than any Elf and have had much more time to develop their magic and abilities.

    Also, she is a LL and the elder sister on top of that, she is what Mazdamundi is to other Slann.

    But she's better than Mazdamundi, Cathay is apparently better than the entirety of the West...we should just change the name at this point. How about Ming Dynasty Warriors 3: A Soap Opera About How Great The Ming Dynasty Was.
    Dude, if you don't like suit yourself, but don't make things up to try and create drama where there is none.
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  • TancredIIQuenelles#3970TancredIIQuenelles#3970 Registered Users Posts: 1,302
    Settra has always had been a villian.

  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 6,822
    Stephince said:

    Read any armybook and the race you are reading about is always better/stronger etc etc than any other race. It's just marketing.

    Ahem....Beastmen!
  • IoriYamadaIoriYamada WalesRegistered Users Posts: 792
    'As good as' means roughly the same which makes sense as they are magical creatures who are probably older than a lot of living Elves. Add to that there are about 7 at most of these creatures that run Cathay as the rest are human. She can also go toe to toe with a Greater Daemon, something that many other faction leaders can do.
  • mecanojavi99#6562mecanojavi99#6562 EspañaRegistered Users Posts: 10,800

    'As good as' means roughly the same which makes sense as they are magical creatures who are probably older than a lot of living Elves. Add to that there are about 7 at most of these creatures that run Cathay as the rest are human. She can also go toe to toe with a Greater Daemon, something that many other faction leaders can do.

    They where there when the Old Ones arrived and created the Elfs, there is not a single elf older than them.
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  • GloatingSwine#8098GloatingSwine#8098 Registered Users Posts: 2,319

    Settra has always had been a villian.

    Only to people who don't know their place, which is kneeling before their magnificent overlord Settra.
  • IoriYamadaIoriYamada WalesRegistered Users Posts: 792

    'As good as' means roughly the same which makes sense as they are magical creatures who are probably older than a lot of living Elves. Add to that there are about 7 at most of these creatures that run Cathay as the rest are human. She can also go toe to toe with a Greater Daemon, something that many other faction leaders can do.

    They where there when the Old Ones arrived and created the Elfs, there is not a single elf older than them.
    That's the Dragon Emperor, I have no idea when the kids were born.
  • Jam#4399Jam#4399 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,065

    Oh and calling Settra a villain lol


  • NiggeyNiggey Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 206
    As far as we know only Miao is as powerful of a magic user as the high elf mages. I mean the other dragons could be as well, but even then there should be only a few I guess.
    I also dont see that as very far fetched given that they are the children of parents which have been elevated to near god power levels with the new lore.
    If in the end a few selected dragons in Cathay have as strong magic abilities as the elves, there is nothing to suggest that Cathay is overall as strong as the HE or DE in terms of magic and I dont expect as much.
  • Lord_Zarkov#7252Lord_Zarkov#7252 Registered Users Posts: 1,802
    Niggey said:

    As far as we know only Miao is as powerful of a magic user as the high elf mages. I mean the other dragons could be as well, but even then there should be only a few I guess.
    I also dont see that as very far fetched given that they are the children of parents which have been elevated to near god power levels with the new lore.
    If in the end a few selected dragons in Cathay have as strong magic abilities as the elves, there is nothing to suggest that Cathay is overall as strong as the HE or DE in terms of magic and I dont expect as much.

    Really old dragons have also been potent spell casters for a long time. Even in 8th you could have Emperor Dragons who could be Level 4 wizards, and as the CDE’s firstborn Miao is potentially of Emperor Dragon level age.

    For reference, statwise Emperor Dragons (which have had rules models and lore since at least 3rd) are to Star Dragons what Star Dragons are to Sun Dragons (Sun is 5s, Star 7s and Emperor 9s).
  • littlenuke#9412littlenuke#9412 Registered Users Posts: 855
    I mean apparently cathay has enough magic to have massive stone golems... but the dwarfs cant have them because theres not enough magic??????
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  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 5,324
    Saying as powerful magic user as any high elf is pretty meaningless. As it didn't say high elf mage, and most HE can only do a little bit of magic.


    And she needs to turn into a dragon to go toe to toe with unnamed greater daemons. Where as Telcis has one shot N'Kari before.
  • cat59cat59 Registered Users Posts: 500
    In the lore, sure that might mean she is a very good spellcaster.

    In game? She's going to be a hybrid lord, much like her brother. Unless they massively revamp lord level wizards compared to hero level wizards, that means basically nothing for gameplay, since many 'supremely powerful' casting races have such pitiful wizards it's laughable.
  • AWizard_LizardAWizard_Lizard Registered Users Posts: 1,747
    Can people stop reading too much into stuff.
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  • misunderstoodvampire#7653misunderstoodvampire#7653 Registered Users Posts: 1,307

    Considering that they are dragons from before the Old Ones arrived, they are older than any Elf and have had much more time to develop their magic and abilities.

    Also, she is a LL and the elder sister on top of that, she is what Mazdamundi is to other Slann.

    The Dragon Emperor and Moon Lady were there before the old ones. We have no idea how old the kids are
  • RikisRikis Registered Users Posts: 1,682
    I'd like to point out that she is also the strongest of her brothers/sisters so she is basically the "Teclis/Mazda" of Cathay, if that makes any sense, from what I could gather.

    Also, lore vs gameplay and all that, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to blast her out of the sky no problems with my zombie canon line as Noctilus on his undead walking ship.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,951
    She most likely is Emperor Dragon. They are strong alright.




    P.S. CA, I want want one as a hero/unit for the High Elves.
  • Nazjax#2857Nazjax#2857 Registered Users Posts: 2,522
    edited September 2021

    Considering that they are dragons from before the Old Ones arrived, they are older than any Elf and have had much more time to develop their magic and abilities.

    Also, she is a LL and the elder sister on top of that, she is what Mazdamundi is to other Slann.

    But she's better than Mazdamundi, Cathay is apparently better than the entirety of the West...we should just change the name at this point. How about Ming Dynasty Warriors 3: A Soap Opera About How Great The Ming Dynasty Was.
    I dont think they are that broken in magic. Still think elves are better, because okay you have 6 dragons powerful, maybe more than elves. But compare 10 000 cathayans to 10 000 elves ?

    If you take a faction full of Einstein vs a faction with 5 Einstein but a bit better... with some randoms dudes. The full one will be better overall.

    Elves are still better in magic than Cathay. About the new LL and elven sorcerers, I think it could be close. They are not the Dragon emperor still, and even him I think he is less powerful than an elven god.

    Pretty sure Asuryan or Khaine beat dragon emperor face so easy.
  • Cryptic_FreezeCryptic_Freeze Registered Users Posts: 603
    I think some sentiments in this thread are fair, I suppose it's just the need to constantly compare and boast that I find odd. That, and the simplicity of the writing that somewhat irks me.

    I mean, our lead writer over at CA is calling a character like Settra a villain...even most fans can grasp the concept of the tragic, neutral force that is the Tomb Kings in the Warhammer world, but we've got our head writer using elementary terms over here...

    It just doesn't feel thought out or universal. It feels run-of-the-mill so far, but I guess there's plenty of time to wait and see.
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