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  • Xypha#3914Xypha#3914 Brussels (Belgium)Registered Users Posts: 411
    Because most of us want factual info about the game and not the same news in a different wrapping twice a week.


    Info most want to see:

    How does the map look.?
    What lores of magic does the aloof dragon use?
    How does the transformations to dragon and the reverse work?
    Cathay units?
    Siege rework?
    Pre-order?
    mechanics that are new to the game?
    Even some new ingame images to go with a small blog?
    Diplomacy?

    Those are just some of the things that come to mind.
    Take your pick.


    Really, not giving factual info makes me start to worry about this game.
    As if there is something they are afraid of showing, because by now they realize it will not go down well.
    I guess there is this sense that something is off ,just as the moments prior to the delay announcement most sensed something was off.
    CA will only be able to calm this completely down by giving FACTUAL info about the game.




  • BayesBayes Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,982
    Ferestor said:

    Bayes said:

    Ferestor said:

    Bayes said:

    Ferestor said:

    Bayes said:

    I think the delay and blue tzeentch warrior combo gutted all the positive people left.

    That said I think cathay seems awesome and I think most of the forum agrees with that.

    Honestly the delay was not much of a surprise. We all hoped for a 21 release but most of us expected the delay.

    The recolor is a fair point and understandable. for me doesnt warrant the hard reaction through.
    Most of us did not expect a delay, atleast not on the forums. I think anyone who has been around the last month or two can attest to that.

    And all CA has to do is to say they are working on it or something when it comes to the recolour, and if they do not plan to I think what we have seen so far and more is totally justified
    ah come on be honest. The hope was for 21 but most had feared/expecxted the delay. For everyone that said release 21 there was one who said release 22.
    Im sorry you just have not been here then.
    Of course i was here. monday till friday i always look here. Then i have a different perception as you.
    Then I amworried about your perception lol

    https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/296898/twwh3-2022/p1
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,531
    While I low-key agree with the OP, this entire thread seems to be entirely devoid of a purpose other than to start a flame-war.
    Somebody please close this.
  • NarveidNarveid Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 34
    The answer is simple though, isn't it? People feel like they aren't being given what was promised them.

    Back during summer they said they'd be back in September with news about Cathay (which we got), siege rework (which we're waiting for), and some other big news (which probably wasn't supposed to be the delay).

    Just two weeks ago they said they'd show off the Cathay brother this week, and suddenly he's pushed back to next week and we're given a blog post that says nothing we've not heard before.

    When it feels like CA is constantly moving the goal post people get frustrated.
  • Jam#4399Jam#4399 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 13,063
    Cathay has nothing to do with Tzeench
  • capybarasiesta89#4722capybarasiesta89#4722 Senior Member Edinburgh, ScotlandRegistered Users Posts: 5,420
    With your guys? What about my guys? I don't know if there is anything wrong with them I'll ask thanks for inquiring.
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  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,474
    KronusX said:

    Ferestor said:

    It's the internet.

    I just sort of laugh at it.

    The first 2-3 days it was funny but now?

    A few month ago we speculate here about Lords and the map. Now most topics are about complains. :(

    I think i will stick with discord for a while. Much more chill there.
    So you are complaining about people ranting about the news being fluff, drip feeds and unsatisfactory for a product CA is trying to sell.

    Oh I see, you came from discord, that explains everything. You came here expecting everyone to sing Kumbaya. Do you also have any other excuse, stuff like ''this marketing isn't for newcomers, it is for new players?''. It might have worked in the past, but I don't know a lot of casuals looking for re-repeated Lore and how Meow Ying is ''aloof'' .
    This is the salt I need, the chips are plain without it.
  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,474
    Bayes said:

    I think the delay and blue tzeentch warrior combo gutted all the positive people left.

    That said I think cathay seems awesome and I think most of the forum agrees with that.

    I’m still a happy bear camper.
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464

    KronusX said:

    Ferestor said:

    It's the internet.

    I just sort of laugh at it.

    The first 2-3 days it was funny but now?

    A few month ago we speculate here about Lords and the map. Now most topics are about complains. :(

    I think i will stick with discord for a while. Much more chill there.
    So you are complaining about people ranting about the news being fluff, drip feeds and unsatisfactory for a product CA is trying to sell.

    Oh I see, you came from discord, that explains everything. You came here expecting everyone to sing Kumbaya. Do you also have any other excuse, stuff like ''this marketing isn't for newcomers, it is for new players?''. It might have worked in the past, but I don't know a lot of casuals looking for re-repeated Lore and how Meow Ying is ''aloof'' .
    This is the salt I need, the chips are plain without it.
    Don't worry, now we have a new meme too, aka Meow Ying, the leader of Cat-hay, mentioned by someone else.
  • ArneSo#7705ArneSo#7705 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 36,836
    Yap I‘m also pretty annoyed by the constant negativity. It was already like that during the Kislev reveal… some people just have to complain for the sake of complaining.

    I also don’t like the Tzeentch Warriors.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,919
  • PoorManatee6197PoorManatee6197 Registered Users Posts: 2,477
    While I agree some people are overreacting we were supposed to receive info about the pre order race and some other things apart from cathai in this month and we already are on day 24, it doesnt look very good.
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    All those missing things are grudges in the great book, is in your hand to settle them, CA. Khazukan kazakit-ha!

    IT'S HOBGOBBO TIME!!!!!!!
    #JusticeForKurgan
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    ArneSo said:

    Yap I‘m also pretty annoyed by the constant negativity. It was already like that during the Kislev reveal… some people just have to complain for the sake of complaining.

    I also don’t like the Tzeentch Warriors.

    Is it really complaining for the sake of complaining pointing out that what CA has shown so far for WH3 was sub-par. We have anything in game except a cookie-cutter final moba style battle. Heck, they couldn't even get all their trailers right. People want to talk about positive things, but there is nothing positive to be seen yet.

    Kislev has bears on everyone, Chaos factions have re-skins, what positive thing do you want people to talk about? Oh right, there is a delay too and with no precise date for when it will come out. So whose fault is that? One week we waited for news to find out that ''Meow Ying is aloof and cold'', gee thanks for confirming that she is a Mary Sue, we didn't know that already.

    You know what the developer said in an earlier interview? That WH3 is ''meatier''. I have not seen anything confirming that statement yet.
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,531

    While I agree some people are overreacting we were supposed to receive info about the pre order race and some other things apart from cathai in this month and we already are on day 24, it doesnt look very good.

    Were we? Could you source that please?
    No snark intended. I just cannot find the original post on that info.
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    MrDragon said:

    While I agree some people are overreacting we were supposed to receive info about the pre order race and some other things apart from cathai in this month and we already are on day 24, it doesnt look very good.

    Were we? Could you source that please?
    No snark intended. I just cannot find the original post on that info.
    There is a lot shown that we have not seen yet.






    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-september-news/
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,531
    KronusX said:

    MrDragon said:

    While I agree some people are overreacting we were supposed to receive info about the pre order race and some other things apart from cathai in this month and we already are on day 24, it doesnt look very good.

    Were we? Could you source that please?
    No snark intended. I just cannot find the original post on that info.
    There is a lot shown that we have not seen yet.

    -snip for brevity-

    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-september-news/
    That does seem like we should in theory be getting Siege and pre-order news within the next week... but it's not explicitly saying everything will be shown off in september. It seems fair to expect it all within another month though.
  • Gustaf97Gustaf97 Registered Users Posts: 79
    September belongs to Cathay. Cathay is a big deal for Fantasy Battles people, maybe the biggest addition for decades. Saying that Cathay gets to much attention is just as detached from reality as French generals during WW1. Cathay should get all attention and hype this month.
    Tzeentch were just a tease in the trailer. We will see him the month after Cathay and it will also be epic. And just as you said, Tzeentch Chaos Warriors need unique skinns, they need love. Total War Warhammer is the Warhammer Fantasy Battle communities big shot at getting the universe in its entirety. Money is not the issue, the level of detail, fun and lore firendlyness is.


  • Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157Fingolfin_the-Golden#2157 Registered Users Posts: 6,474
    KronusX said:

    ArneSo said:

    Yap I‘m also pretty annoyed by the constant negativity. It was already like that during the Kislev reveal… some people just have to complain for the sake of complaining.

    I also don’t like the Tzeentch Warriors.

    Is it really complaining for the sake of complaining

    Yes, yes it is.
  • misunderstoodvampire#7653misunderstoodvampire#7653 Registered Users Posts: 1,307

    KronusX said:

    ArneSo said:

    Yap I‘m also pretty annoyed by the constant negativity. It was already like that during the Kislev reveal… some people just have to complain for the sake of complaining.

    I also don’t like the Tzeentch Warriors.

    Is it really complaining for the sake of complaining

    Yes, yes it is.
    Nah. It’s complaining because the “news” sucked
  • MGH1MGH1 Member Registered Users Posts: 270

    It's simple marketing. 2 billion people in China, why would CA not capitalise on making a Chinese themed faction?

    China grew really fat when I wasn't looking. 😯
  • AxiosXiphosAxiosXiphos Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,403

    KronusX said:

    ArneSo said:

    Yap I‘m also pretty annoyed by the constant negativity. It was already like that during the Kislev reveal… some people just have to complain for the sake of complaining.

    I also don’t like the Tzeentch Warriors.

    Is it really complaining for the sake of complaining

    Yes, yes it is.
    Nah. It’s complaining because the “news” sucked
    After waiting 3 months for news - all CA have given us to show for it is one trailer, a tiny snippet of lore info and a delay...

    Read that blog again and tell me they were being entirely honest here;



    Perhaps not a lie - but 100% misleading.
  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 3,054
    MrDragon said:

    KronusX said:

    MrDragon said:

    While I agree some people are overreacting we were supposed to receive info about the pre order race and some other things apart from cathai in this month and we already are on day 24, it doesnt look very good.

    Were we? Could you source that please?
    No snark intended. I just cannot find the original post on that info.
    There is a lot shown that we have not seen yet.

    -snip for brevity-

    https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-september-news/
    That does seem like we should in theory be getting Siege and pre-order news within the next week... but it's not explicitly saying everything will be shown off in september. It seems fair to expect it all within another month though.
    It's fair to expect next month reading that now. The problem is it was published in July and they did nothing to stop everyone saying "pre order coming in September ".

    I'll live but it's not great.
  • MrDragonMrDragon Registered Users Posts: 3,531
    edited September 2021
    MikhaelH said:

    It's simple marketing. 2 billion people in China, why would CA not capitalise on making a Chinese themed faction?

    China grew really fat when I wasn't looking. 😯
    You've not been looking then since literally the day you were born I guess. China was already really "fat" decades before I was born.

    That said, with how hard the CCP is cracking down on any form of digital media to control the narrative... I do not forsee marketing to the chinese market to be long-term sustainable.
    They now want to limit gaming to 3 hours per week or something equally bats**T.
  • MaelasMaelas Registered Users Posts: 5,180
    I mean, what else is there to talk about ?

    We don't know a thing about the game's mechanics, the siege rework, the diplomacy changes, the map, the gameplay or even the LLs abilities. Hell, despite having now 3 blogs on Miao Ying, we don't even know how she plays.

    We don't know the pre-order, we don't know the 4 last rosters, we don't know the 9th LL, or the surprise CA talked about. We don't even know about Zhao Ming except for the simplest of description, and given what we got this week, I'm not expecting much more for him.

    So, what is there to talk about ? When CA revealed Cathay, we had healthy, interesting discussions. Up to the moment we realized CA **** up Tzeentch. That's on CA for turning the discourse negative with such a blunder.

    And now, we're 2 weeks after, we've had 2 more blogs, and we've learned absolutely nothing new or of value. We haven't even have one new image !

    Of course people complains, we've exhausted every other talking point !
  • hendo’#9614hendo’#9614 Registered Users Posts: 3,000
    My perspective, generally speaking, is because the news we are receiving is spaced out too far, and the news tends to be an illusion of news--not really saying much but repeating information. Combine that with the illusion of expecting news every week for a game that's been delayed; this is where we are at...

    Marketing can be more clear, but what are they going to say? “Hey, most weeks, the news is going to be ****.”

    I think CA should be clear and say: “don't expect news every week, but there shouldn't be long periods without news (we will try our best to let you know ahead of time if that's the case, but bear with us for plans change rather quickly and often during our phase in the production cycle). Also, some weeks we will only be sharing little tidbits, and if it seems like we overlap the info, sometimes we are sharing the news from different perspectives (e.g., An artist vs. a writer) to show you as close behind the scenes as we are able. The news tidbits won't be for everyone, but we hope you enjoy and don't worry, I'm sure we will get to a topic or move to a subject you're interested in.”

    There, CA. Copy and paste the above, and actually follow it. Done. Problems solved. Set expectations and be transparent without the escape of reality.
  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 3,054
    Maelas said:

    I mean, what else is there to talk about ?

    We don't know a thing about the game's mechanics, the siege rework, the diplomacy changes, the map, the gameplay or even the LLs abilities. Hell, despite having now 3 blogs on Miao Ying, we don't even know how she plays.

    We don't know the pre-order, we don't know the 4 last rosters, we don't know the 9th LL, or the surprise CA talked about. We don't even know about Zhao Ming except for the simplest of description, and given what we got this week, I'm not expecting much more for him.

    So, what is there to talk about ? When CA revealed Cathay, we had healthy, interesting discussions. Up to the moment we realized CA **** up Tzeentch. That's on CA for turning the discourse negative with such a blunder.

    And now, we're 2 weeks after, we've had 2 more blogs, and we've learned absolutely nothing new or of value. We haven't even have one new image !

    Of course people complains, we've exhausted every other talking point !

    CA haven't **** up Tzeentch. You are just jumping to conclusions based on images they have said are a work in progress.

    When they reveal Tzeentch then you can complain. What you are complaining about are certainly placeholders like feral Gorebeasts and Khorne warriors shouting WHAAAAAAGH!
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464

    Maelas said:

    I mean, what else is there to talk about ?

    We don't know a thing about the game's mechanics, the siege rework, the diplomacy changes, the map, the gameplay or even the LLs abilities. Hell, despite having now 3 blogs on Miao Ying, we don't even know how she plays.

    We don't know the pre-order, we don't know the 4 last rosters, we don't know the 9th LL, or the surprise CA talked about. We don't even know about Zhao Ming except for the simplest of description, and given what we got this week, I'm not expecting much more for him.

    So, what is there to talk about ? When CA revealed Cathay, we had healthy, interesting discussions. Up to the moment we realized CA **** up Tzeentch. That's on CA for turning the discourse negative with such a blunder.

    And now, we're 2 weeks after, we've had 2 more blogs, and we've learned absolutely nothing new or of value. We haven't even have one new image !

    Of course people complains, we've exhausted every other talking point !

    CA haven't **** up Tzeentch. You are just jumping to conclusions based on images they have said are a work in progress.

    When they reveal Tzeentch then you can complain. What you are complaining about are certainly placeholders like feral Gorebeasts and Khorne warriors shouting WHAAAAAAGH!
    Then why there are plenty of threads about Tzeentch if CA did not ''**** up'' ?

    How about the fact at least a portion of the units we have seen so far are reskins for Tzeentch?

    The fact is, Maelas' point stands. We talk about what we have seen, not what ''might be'' . You said people are jumping to conclusions, yet CA tells us there is SO MUCH to talk about yet we heard 3 times in a row how Meow Ying is ''cold and aloof''.

  • oliverpmasonoliverpmason Registered Users Posts: 3,054
    KronusX said:

    Maelas said:

    I mean, what else is there to talk about ?

    We don't know a thing about the game's mechanics, the siege rework, the diplomacy changes, the map, the gameplay or even the LLs abilities. Hell, despite having now 3 blogs on Miao Ying, we don't even know how she plays.

    We don't know the pre-order, we don't know the 4 last rosters, we don't know the 9th LL, or the surprise CA talked about. We don't even know about Zhao Ming except for the simplest of description, and given what we got this week, I'm not expecting much more for him.

    So, what is there to talk about ? When CA revealed Cathay, we had healthy, interesting discussions. Up to the moment we realized CA **** up Tzeentch. That's on CA for turning the discourse negative with such a blunder.

    And now, we're 2 weeks after, we've had 2 more blogs, and we've learned absolutely nothing new or of value. We haven't even have one new image !

    Of course people complains, we've exhausted every other talking point !

    CA haven't **** up Tzeentch. You are just jumping to conclusions based on images they have said are a work in progress.

    When they reveal Tzeentch then you can complain. What you are complaining about are certainly placeholders like feral Gorebeasts and Khorne warriors shouting WHAAAAAAGH!
    Then why there are plenty of threads about Tzeentch if CA did not ''**** up'' ?

    How about the fact at least a portion of the units we have seen so far are reskins for Tzeentch?

    The fact is, Maelas' point stands. We talk about what we have seen, not what ''might be'' . You said people are jumping to conclusions, yet CA tells us there is SO MUCH to talk about yet we heard 3 times in a row how Meow Ying is ''cold and aloof''.

    Firstly don't confuse the issues. CA doing three blogs about how Meow Ying is "cold and aloof " is nothing to do with the fact they haven't released Tzeentch yet.

    Watch the trailer again and in the first 10 seconds it says it's a work in progress. What that means is it isn't the completed game yet. The trailer we had last week was to showcase Cathay not Tzeentch so that is the part that isn't completed yet.

    Just wait until they release Tzeentch and then you will see their completed units.
  • Number#1064Number#1064 Registered Users Posts: 3,124
    The worst reactions -racism, sexism- come from users i'd never heard before and probably will never hear again. Most regulars complain about the Tzeench warrior recolor -which is legitimate, CA has got a lot of time to do something better- and the poor marketing. The marketing problem is the same as always, they show too little and of little interest.
  • RamsesIIIRamsesIII Registered Users Posts: 1,172
    I believe the game gets more negativity than warranted sometimes, and I also think there's toxicity in the fanbase. But making a post saying "what's wrong with you guys" isn't gonna make it better, it's not going to make anyone more partial to the way you believe the forum should behave, if anything it might make some people less open to listening because of natural defensiveness at a generalized statement.

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