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Lore Fight: Kairos Fateweaver vs Ku'gath Plaguefather

XxXScorpionXxXXxXScorpionXxX Registered Users Posts: 4,311
Hopefully there isn't a lore passage about Ku' Gath losing even with a Nurgle forged weapon. Anyway, the greatest Lord of Change vs the the filthiest of the Great Unclean Ones.


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Lore Fight: Kairos Fateweaver vs Ku'gath Plaguefather 64 votes

Kairos Fateweaver
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Ku'gath Plaguefather
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  • ArneSoArneSo Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 28,172
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Ku’Gath wins obviously. He just throws Nurglings at the Bird until it’s dead.
    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 4,786
    edited November 2021
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Kugath literally killed Kairos in the lore already, there's no room for debate because it's already happened. And it wasn't even close.

    Ku'gath Plaguefather bludgeoned Kairos Fateweaver to feathered ruin
  • MordrenMordren Registered Users Posts: 68
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Kairos isn't very good for fighting other Greater Daemons, his sole purpose is to scry the future for Tzeentch and this sight allows him to plan ahead for any forces he may have command of.

    This gift however makes it difficult to perceive what's happening currently around himself, thus unless he sets up Ku'gath in an ambush of some kind which isn't a 1v1 then he's unable to keep up in combat.
  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 4,485
    Kairos Fateweaver

    Kugath literally killed Kairos in the lore already, there's no room for debate because it's already happened. And it wasn't even close.

    Ku'gath Plaguefather bludgeoned Kairos Fateweaver to feathered ruin
    Context
  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 4,485
    Kairos Fateweaver
    Since 40k, Fantasy and AoS are confirmed to be connected and the daemons the same beings across them I will post this.


    "Clash of Champions

    For a brief moment, the galaxy is freed of the baleful gaze of the Chaos Gods, for their attention is drawn elsewhere. Each of the brothers selects their mightiest champions alongside a few favoured legions. A portion of each of the gods’ realms is reformed into the Amalgrimm– a swirling hell-field upon which the gladiatorial battles will take place. Slaanesh’s champions use their speed to quickly establish dominance, but stagger before the resilience of Nurgle’s chosen. Tzeentch’s champions unleash sorcerous bolts of such magnitude that time itself collapses around them, but none can match the martial prowess and endless fury of Khorne’s warriors. The advantage continues to change hands, until Tzeentch’s foremost champion, Kairos Fateweaver, emerges victorious through trickery. So loud is Khorne’s bellow of fury, however, that all of Kairos’ illusions are broken and the battlefield itself blasted apart in fire, and even realspace shakes at its foundations."


    -Daemons of Chaos 8th edition
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 4,786
    Ku'gath Plaguefather

    Kugath literally killed Kairos in the lore already, there's no room for debate because it's already happened. And it wasn't even close.

    Ku'gath Plaguefather bludgeoned Kairos Fateweaver to feathered ruin
    Context
    Kairos was invading Brettonia and eventually made it to Mousillon. Nurgle have a special fondness for Mousillon and the last thing he wants is for his most hated brother to take away one of his prized source of plagues. So Nurgle sent his army to intervene.


    Far as the Brettonians were concerned, the demons just began fighting amongst themselves all of the sudden and took advantage of the chaos, killing Ku'gath soon as Ku'gath stomped Kairos
  • epic_162578572945FgdWSzpepic_162578572945FgdWSzp Registered Users Posts: 788
    Kairos Fateweaver
    its literally impossible for kairos to lose, every "defeat" is exactly as planned, a scheme that lies as part of another plan
  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,146
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    A strange question as Ku'gath already beat Kairos once.

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • CrossilCrossil Registered Users Posts: 14,146
    Ku'gath Plaguefather

    its literally impossible for kairos to lose, every "defeat" is exactly as planned, a scheme that lies as part of another plan

    UNLEASH THE EVERCHARIOT

  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 4,786
    Ku'gath Plaguefather

    its literally impossible for kairos to lose, every "defeat" is exactly as planned, a scheme that lies as part of another plan

    That's just a meme

    Kairos have been caught off guard multiple times and defeated before.


    Kairos doesn't just see the future, but he sees all the possible futures, which gives him an edge, but said future shifts constantly with each move he makes.
  • HelhoundHelhound Registered Users Posts: 4,926
    Ku'gath Plaguefather

    its literally impossible for kairos to lose, every "defeat" is exactly as planned, a scheme that lies as part of another plan

    Not how that works. Kairos can predict the future and all its eventualities, but has little control over what getting to a specific point looks like. Even worse, he's completely blind to what going on right in front of him. Kairos isn't a spectacular combatant. At least by Greater Daemon standards. He's got a gift for magic that may or may not save him in any given moment. Tzeentch may have plans for one of Kairos's deaths or victories, but that doesn't help Kairos.
  • epic_162578572945FgdWSzpepic_162578572945FgdWSzp Registered Users Posts: 788
    Kairos Fateweaver

    its literally impossible for kairos to lose, every "defeat" is exactly as planned, a scheme that lies as part of another plan

    That's just a meme

    Kairos have been caught off guard multiple times and defeated before.


    Kairos doesn't just see the future, but he sees all the possible futures, which gives him an edge, but said future shifts constantly with each move he makes.
    all according to plan...
  • AsamuAsamu Registered Users Posts: 1,236
    edited November 2021
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    It has to go to Ku'gath. Kairos isn't much of a fighter.

    While one could argue that Kairos can fly around blasting Ku'gath with magic, if they were to actually fight, Ku'gath would win easily, and Ku'gath can heal himself and hurt Kairos back with his own magic and Nurgling grenades.

    Kairos's talents lie in leading armies, not so much in combat.

    Since 40k, Fantasy and AoS are confirmed to be connected and the daemons the same beings across them I will post this.


    "Clash of Champions

    For a brief moment, the galaxy is freed of the baleful gaze of the Chaos Gods, for their attention is drawn elsewhere. Each of the brothers selects their mightiest champions alongside a few favoured legions. A portion of each of the gods’ realms is reformed into the Amalgrimm– a swirling hell-field upon which the gladiatorial battles will take place. Slaanesh’s champions use their speed to quickly establish dominance, but stagger before the resilience of Nurgle’s chosen. Tzeentch’s champions unleash sorcerous bolts of such magnitude that time itself collapses around them, but none can match the martial prowess and endless fury of Khorne’s warriors. The advantage continues to change hands, until Tzeentch’s foremost champion, Kairos Fateweaver, emerges victorious through trickery. So loud is Khorne’s bellow of fury, however, that all of Kairos’ illusions are broken and the battlefield itself blasted apart in fire, and even realspace shakes at its foundations."


    -Daemons of Chaos 8th edition

    Note that this includes "legions". It's hard to win through trickery when you're fighting one-on-one, especially when blind to the present.

    The most interesting matchup, and the one that would be most debatable, would be N'kari vs Ku'gath (I'd give it to Ku'gath, but it's possible it could go either way), but in general, I'd expect a sort of hierarchy of Skarbrand > Ku'gath >= N'kari > Kairos for any sort of duel.

    With armies, I'd think something along the lines of: Khorne/Nurgle > Slaanesh > Tzeentch > Nurgle ~= Khorne >Tzeentch.
    Tzeentch > Nurgle
    Khorne > Slaanesh/Tzeentch
    Nurgle > Slaanesh
    Slaanesh >= Tzeentch
  • DeathboundDeathbound Registered Users Posts: 114
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Okay, but how much time does Kairos have to prepare!?

    (My money's on Ku'Gath though, I just couldn't help but think of that particular meme)
  • ValkaarValkaar Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 4,387
    Kairos might? be able to defeat Ku'gath in a WAR through schemes, trickery, and prescience.

    But Ku'gath would absolutely win a DUEL. No contest.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 4,786
    Ku'gath Plaguefather
    Asamu said:

    It has to go to Ku'gath. Kairos isn't much of a fighter.

    While one could argue that Kairos can fly around blasting Ku'gath with magic, if they were to actually fight, Ku'gath would win easily, and Ku'gath can heal himself and hurt Kairos back with his own magic and Nurgling grenades.

    That's something that might be fun to test out in the Laboratory once WH3 comes out (and wait a few patches in as CA readjust stats).


    To see if Ku'gath just sitting there regenerating himself and stuff can really survive Kairos using up his entire pool of WoM.
  • mewade44mewade44 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,662
    Ku'gath Plaguefather

  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 14,046
    Kairos Fateweaver
    Wash them in flames, Birdman.
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