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Shogun 2 Matchlock question

Kusarigama12Kusarigama12 MemberPosts: 71Registered Users
I have noticed that when I bring any sort of matchlock compliment that even when they have a decent hill advantage (at least one man above) they do not shoot unless I let the enemy go behind my line. Some people have suggested that I use Naginata Attendants because they are forced loose formation and matchlocks would shoot through them. This is not the case as well they sit there. Some other people just tell me to use heavy gunners and force them to charge and only get one if two volleys off and have them sit for the rest of the fight. It just seems like I am forced to do a Katana Core or a Naginata Samurai Core (not monks, good game CA for ruining my monks) with just bows and no matchlocks. I am getting tired of the cookie cutter sword/spear spams and the very annoying bow monk standoff. First the monks got ruined and now matchlocks it seems.

My question is; Is there any way to use matchlocks anymore without fighting to get fully around them to get full volleys off? Is it worth it to get a side volley off because only 1/8 of my matchlock line will get a volley off (especially if I use Ashigaru or Attendants to guard them)?

Thank you for any input!
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  • Kusarigama12Kusarigama12 Member Posts: 71Registered Users
    edited April 2012
    One more thing is Fire by Rank broken as well? Is it worth upgrading?
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  • andferpaandferpa Senior Member Posts: 2,520Registered Users
    edited April 2012
    fire by rank is not effective at all, also, you must be encountering a bug, since line of sight should be the only factor determining whether the matchlocks fire. Just try having them in areas where they can fire effectively from, but if you have the cavalry advantage, just flank them, and the morale penalties from being shot at from the flank or rear will help you out a lot.
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  • KillerMonkeyBobKillerMonkeyBob Senior Member Posts: 609Registered Users
    edited April 2012
    How's about actually using them as they are intended? use them to screen your army from frontal melee charges, and then move them to the flanks to lay down fire on the enemy. Matchlocks are still very effective, how they can be used has just changed for the better.
  • TheCrazyCatTheCrazyCat Banned Posts: 1,502Banned Users
    edited April 2012
    the fire by ranks broken so dont bother.
  • Kusarigama12Kusarigama12 Member Posts: 71Registered Users
    edited April 2012
    Thanks for the replies! I might need to rephrase some of my post.

    I do know that I am supposed to use Matchlocks in the front to deter frontal charges and break moral but after making them charge into my matchlocks two things happen; Matchlock moral penalty goes away before they hit my line and if I move my matchlocks to the flank they either take too long to get to the flank and the possibility of them not firing at all no matter what angle/height I get them at. Once 1/8 to 1/10th of a unit gets in front of my matchlocks they just refuse to fire. I will just take this as matchlocks not being worth it and sticking to Bow Monk/Samurai for my ranged component.
    Words -- so innocent and powerless as they are, as standing in a dictionary, how potent for good and evil they become in the hands of one who knows how to combine them.

    Nathaniel Hawthorne
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