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  • 6nieve66nieve6 Registered Users Posts: 557
    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    If that drives CA to start listening to the customers then it's a win
  • KronusXKronusX Registered Users Posts: 2,464
    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Ah yes because the people suddenly had a revelation and had no idea the game was bad until Legends told them so. You belong on reddit as well mate, the fault lies with CA, and anyone that was not satisfied with the game uninstalled already, they did not needed a youtuber to tell them so.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,660
    KronusX said:

    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Ah yes because the people suddenly had a revelation and had no idea the game was bad until Legends told them so. You belong on reddit as well mate, the fault lies with CA, and anyone that was not satisfied with the game uninstalled already, they did not needed a youtuber to tell them so.
    There are many sheeples who just repeat whatever Legend sayd. This is a known problem in the community.
    Summon the Elector Counts!
  • Schub#9514Schub#9514 Registered Users Posts: 1,580
    edited March 7
    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Maybe...just mabye CA should really show this Roadmap very soon...and not the "Pre-Order-reveal-very-soon".
    Sigmar protect us all...


  • Neodeinos#5871Neodeinos#5871 Registered Users Posts: 15,857
    edited March 7
    ArneSo said:

    KronusX said:

    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Ah yes because the people suddenly had a revelation and had no idea the game was bad until Legends told them so. You belong on reddit as well mate, the fault lies with CA, and anyone that was not satisfied with the game uninstalled already, they did not needed a youtuber to tell them so.
    There are many sheeples who just repeat whatever Legend sayd. This is a known problem in the community.
    Still people don't need whatever Legend is saying to be dropping the game, the campaign is bad, that's a fact.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    Reeks said:

    Arsenic said:

    He got fed up with a game he rated 8.5 out of 10 remarkably swiftly.

    Indeed he did
    I expect many Youtubers had subconscious or conscious bias going into WH3, after all they need the game to be successful to continue making a living. Probably led many of them to overlook or downplay some of the worse design choices of the game, maybe expecting day 1 and week 1 patches.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Sounds like CA's fault not Legends.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • BrutalusBrutalus Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 14
    If playing Total War was my JOB I would not like it very much either at this point. 7-9 hours a day 5-6 days a week for YEARS? Almost no one likes their job at that point no matter what it is.
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  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523
    edited March 7

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.

    Why can't he just say "This is what I think is wrong with the game". Why does it have to be "if CA had made me a developer the game wouldn't have these issues!!"
  • TolgharTolghar Registered Users Posts: 100
    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    It's funny that exact same thing was said about Thrones of Britannia I guess legend has a gift at ruining "flawless" games.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    And who are you to say your advice is correct? That's my point - you can't just say your idea is perfect because it came from you.

    Sure the content creators have valid feedback to offer - but that's it feedback. CA were wrong to not listen to it; but insisting CA should take on board all their ideas as gospel is also rediculous.

    It's this sense of entitlement that bothers me. It's their product at the end of the day.
  • HarveyJames#1968HarveyJames#1968 Registered Users Posts: 373
    edited March 7
    funny how people like too twist things to suit there own agenda..
    Legend gave an open and honest assessment of how CA acted and the consequences of how they acted has led too the current situation of the game,

    yet some people try to twist it into something its not, to personally attack him for some perceived sleight or just some dislike for the man for whatever reason, if hes not your cup of tea then fine we all have people we dont fancy for whatever reason, but dont try too deceive people with your **** ..
    CA please give us Shogun Multi layer wall Sieges back along with Roles/Fog of war we want EPIC sieges!! 'personally i think the 3 kingdoms style of building armies is the best for balance alongside stronger unit roles and larger unit sizes' also allowing Chars too specialise in range/siege in particular in skills/traits..
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523

    funny how people like too twist things to suit there own agenda..
    Legend gave an open and honest assessment of how CA acted and the consequences of how they acted has led too the current situation on the game, yet some people try too twist is into something its not too personally attack him for some perceived sleight or just some dislike for the man for whatever reason, if hes not your sup of tea then fine we all have people we dont fancy for whatever reason, but dont try too deceive people with your **** ..

    I've pointed out quite consistently that he offers valid feedback; and also picked out precisely the comments I thought were unjust.

    Vaguely throwing insults around because we 'insulted' your beloved streamer isn't helpful.
  • Wanderer46Wanderer46 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 74
    edited March 7
    All the bitter influencers who end up trashing the game are all very similar. They start to wrongly think they are bigger than the game and the developers despite the fact that none of them have actually done programming or developed a game themselves. It goes to their head, they go too far, get banned or removed from CA's group of pre-release influencers, then they spend the rest of their time just trashing every single thing that comes out. All these guys could REALLY use a lesson in humility and gratitude.

    Legend himself has backtracked in the past because he overstepped and went on a rant. The problem isn't with him finding bugs and reporting them, it's his demanding and condescending attitude. Finding a bug or exploit is not the same as finding a solution to a bug or exploit. Programming AI is considerably challenging as is programming itself. You can quite easily fix one behavior and create several more bugs. That's where the humility part comes in. Just put yourself in check, appreciate the fact that you are able to both make money from their product and you receive the game for free, and give the necessary feedback to CA to improve the game.

    Legend has calmed down a bit since his Thrones of Brittania debacle but he remains obstinate in the notion that he alone is the ultimate litmus test on game design. He is just one guy who's sole preoccupation is finding exploits, using these exploits, then complaining these exploits exist.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    edited March 7

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    And who are you to say your advice is correct? That's my point - you can't just say your idea is perfect because it came from you.

    Sure the content creators have valid feedback to offer - but that's it feedback. CA were wrong to not listen to it; but insisting CA should take on board all their ideas as gospel is also rediculous.

    It's this sense of entitlement that bothers me. It's their product at the end of the day.
    My advice is correct because its self evident that a multiplayer mode should feature the mode that has been popularized by the series since its freaking inception. If you disagree you're being contrarian just for the sake of it. Nothing about a Land Battle ladder would take away from Domination, it would in fact just give players more choices.

    I'm tired of pretending that all opinions are equally valid they are not. You can sit there and tell me you love your nephews scribble of a purple elephant with yellow stripes. You can not tell me it's as good as the Mona Lisa and then fall back to saying both our opinions are equally valid when I disagree. That's not "entitlement" either.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • Captain_Rex#1635Captain_Rex#1635 Hamburg, Germany Registered Users Posts: 37,660
    Neodeinos said:

    ArneSo said:

    KronusX said:

    Ludbone said:

    Thanks to LegendofIdiots now most of the Reddit users are dropping the game because they think CA will drop it in less than a year. . .

    Ah yes because the people suddenly had a revelation and had no idea the game was bad until Legends told them so. You belong on reddit as well mate, the fault lies with CA, and anyone that was not satisfied with the game uninstalled already, they did not needed a youtuber to tell them so.
    There are many sheeples who just repeat whatever Legend sayd. This is a known problem in the community.
    Still people don't need whatever Legend is saying to be dropping the game, the campaign is bad, that's a fact.
    Of course not. I can 100% understand everyone who drops the game until IE is out.
    Summon the Elector Counts!
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    And who are you to say your advice is correct? That's my point - you can't just say your idea is perfect because it came from you.

    Sure the content creators have valid feedback to offer - but that's it feedback. CA were wrong to not listen to it; but insisting CA should take on board all their ideas as gospel is also rediculous.

    It's this sense of entitlement that bothers me. It's their product at the end of the day.
    My advice is correct because its self evident that a multiplayer mode should feature the mode that has been popularized by the series since its freaking inception. If you disagree you're being contrarian just for the sake of it. Nothing about a Land Battle ladder would take away from Domination, it would in fact just give players more choices.

    I'm tired of pretending that all opinions are equally valid they are not. You can sit there and tell me you love your nephews scribble of a purple elephant with yellow stripes. You can not tell me it's as good as the Mona Lisa and then fall back to saying both our opinions are equally valid when I disagree.
    TWWH2 has a land battle ladder; and it was worthless and constantly mocked and ignored by the community. Adding such a thing to game 3 would be a waste of development time that could be spent fixing servers or performing another much more important task.

    So no - you are not the be all and end all of quality feedback it seems.e. A Land battle ladder is not going to fix TWWH 3...

    I guess you proved your point though - not all opinions are valid...
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    edited March 7

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    And who are you to say your advice is correct? That's my point - you can't just say your idea is perfect because it came from you.

    Sure the content creators have valid feedback to offer - but that's it feedback. CA were wrong to not listen to it; but insisting CA should take on board all their ideas as gospel is also rediculous.

    It's this sense of entitlement that bothers me. It's their product at the end of the day.
    My advice is correct because its self evident that a multiplayer mode should feature the mode that has been popularized by the series since its freaking inception. If you disagree you're being contrarian just for the sake of it. Nothing about a Land Battle ladder would take away from Domination, it would in fact just give players more choices.

    I'm tired of pretending that all opinions are equally valid they are not. You can sit there and tell me you love your nephews scribble of a purple elephant with yellow stripes. You can not tell me it's as good as the Mona Lisa and then fall back to saying both our opinions are equally valid when I disagree.
    TWWH2 has a land battle ladder; and it was worthless and constantly mocked and ignored by the community. Adding such a thing to game 3 would be a waste of development time that could be spent fixing servers or performing another much more important task.

    So no - you are not the be all and end all of quality feedback it seems.e. A Land battle ladder is not going to fix TWWH 3...

    I guess you proved your point though - not all opinions are valid...
    MP in general is constantly ignored and mocked by the community... because its a single player focused game. Domination is not pulling bigger numbers than WH2.

    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours? Had the game launched with QB for both modes no one, including yourself, would have objected, or indeed, even thought of it as something unusual.

    No one would have gone "new Domination mode is so fun, but man... if only they'd remove the Land Battle Mode"
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • Dragantis#9204Dragantis#9204 PolandRegistered Users Posts: 792

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    So I'm also a player and I don't agree with few of yours ideas or streamers ideas. So who developers should listen to? Me? You? Streamsers? I honestly think that both you and Legend are arrogant on this point thinking that you know what whole player base want from TW, as well as what is possible to be made, what work and what not.

    IMO it look like popularity of streams and early access went to streamer’s head.
    Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    edited March 7
    Dragantis said:

    I find Legend extremely arrogant, rude and over-sensitive about a video game about little orcs and elves fighting each other while throwing puns around.

    HOWEVER - There is also no denying he does have good points on occasion - and he is right about the RoC Campaign; it doesn't quite work. He does know alot about the game; and while his style of playing is not to my taste - he does have more then enough time to warrant giving criticism.

    I just wish he could articulate himself in a more professional way, with less drama and less emotion. We are in the midst of a pandemic and a European war - TWWH 3 is not worth getting upset about.

    I don't think many people necessarily disagree with his criticism - but the attitude with which he presented his case is what has split the community.

    there was nothing wrong with his attitude, I saw the stream, I read the comment. He doesn't even curse or yell once and people are trying to gaslight everyone into thinking Legend had a meltdown on live camera.
    He quit a stream literally mid-way through....

    Also...

    "A year ago I told CA that I would be completely at their disposal for Warhammer 3. Whether that meant to test features, provide feedback, cameo a voice line, whatever.

    In the lead up to launch I, and all other creators, were drip fed boring meetings, blogs and other unimportant information that was most of the time 1-2 days before it was public knowledge. There was not a single opportunity to actually get involved in the development of Warhammer 3 nor were we even informed about what the campaign was going to be about."

    This is the arrogance I was referring to... He is a content partner - not a developer. Again he raises good points; but this is just ridiculous and shows an incredibly enflated sense of his own important.
    arrogance nothing. Content Creators, especially those like Legend and Turin who know the ins and outs of the campaign and MP meta are invaluable resources for balancing. Its perfectly reasonable to think some feedback would be asked for on game design. Sounds to me like the arrogance is all on the devs end thinking their ideas are perfect and they don't need feedback from players on how to change them. Look how that turned out.

    I told CA on here months ago to include a ladder for Land Battles when they release IE lets see if they listen to my good advice either.
    So I'm also a player and I don't agree with few of yours ideas or streamers ideas. So who developers should listen to? Me? You? Streamsers? I honestly think that both you and Legend are arrogant on this point thinking that you know what whole player base want from TW, as well as what is possible to be made, what work and what not.

    IMO it look like popularity of streams and early access went to streamer’s head.
    Apparently we do... well for me anyway every single thing I complained about in the run up to release is something which has become a serious point of contention for the community. Siege "reworks", Belakor, Domination mode, etc. Seems like my finger is on the pulse of the community be it by accident or not.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Sure - I appreciate it. But saying that 100% this is exactly what everyone wants and needs to improve the game is kind of ridiculous.

    Surely you see that?
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Sure - I appreciate it. But saying that 100% this is exactly what everyone wants and needs to improve the game is kind of ridiculous.

    Surely you see that?
    No, I don't. No one can reasonably explain why giving more opinions to players is a bad thing therefore I can't see how its not a 100% improvement.
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Sure - I appreciate it. But saying that 100% this is exactly what everyone wants and needs to improve the game is kind of ridiculous.

    Surely you see that?
    No, I don't. No one can reasonably explain why giving more opinions to players is a bad thing therefore I can't see how its not a 100% improvement.
    Because let's say CA spend a month adding an option to make Skarbrand blue. You would argue that as it adds more options to the players - it is only a positive.

    I would argue that the month could have been spent on much more valid improvements that the majority would benefit from.

    That's the difference.
  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    edited March 7



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Sure - I appreciate it. But saying that 100% this is exactly what everyone wants and needs to improve the game is kind of ridiculous.

    Surely you see that?
    No, I don't. No one can reasonably explain why giving more opinions to players is a bad thing therefore I can't see how its not a 100% improvement.
    Because let's say CA spend a month adding an option to make Skarbrand blue. You would argue that as it adds more options to the players - it is only a positive.

    I would argue that the month could have been spent on much more valid improvements that the majority would benefit from.

    That's the difference.
    1) Comparing making Skarbrand blue to a mode of play that has been the main staple of the series since Rome 1 is inane.

    2) If they spend a month on just making Skarbrand blue that would indicate more than misplaced priorities. If they spent a month on an army painter then yes I'd consider that objectively good for the game. Giving players options for how they want their units to look.

    3) Yes I understand your greater point of prioritizing different thing, but you don't appreciate that CA can hire more employees to take on a greater breadth of work or that some things, which are being pointed out by Legend among others, are simply objectively more important than other things.

    Your only problem is the "entitlement" but you go around to agree with more than half of Legends list. Comes off as agreeing with someone but being mad that they confidently said the thing you agree with?
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
  • AxiosXiphos#9040AxiosXiphos#9040 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 9,523



    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

    Well that line is signature worthy....

    I wouldn't object because it had already been done. But the domination ladder has already been proved largely meaningless - I certainly don't want more time wasted :D:D
    I don't really give a damn about the ranking system I just want to be able to click a button and find an opponent, not wait in a custom games room for some undisclosed amount of time for someone to come in.
    Sure - I appreciate it. But saying that 100% this is exactly what everyone wants and needs to improve the game is kind of ridiculous.

    Surely you see that?
    No, I don't. No one can reasonably explain why giving more opinions to players is a bad thing therefore I can't see how its not a 100% improvement.
    Because let's say CA spend a month adding an option to make Skarbrand blue. You would argue that as it adds more options to the players - it is only a positive.

    I would argue that the month could have been spent on much more valid improvements that the majority would benefit from.

    That's the difference.
    1) Comparing making Skarbrand blue to a mode of play that has been the main staple of the series since Rome 1 is inane.

    2) If they spend a month on just making Skarbrand blue that would indicate more than misplaced priorities. If they spent a month on an army painter then yes I'd consider that objectively good for the game. Giving players options for how they want their units to look.

    3) Yes I understand your greater point of prioritizing different thing, but you don't appreciate that CA can hire more employees to take on a greater breadth of work or that some things, which are being pointed out by Legend among others, are simply objectively more important than other things.

    Your only problem is the "entitlement" but you go around to agree with more than half of Legends list. Comes off as agreeing with someone but being mad that they confidently said the thing you agree with?
    I don't disagree with his points - only that he consider his points gospel. That's the point. He can offer valid feedback; and I can agree with it. I don't appreciate he's comments that appear to mirror some of your own; -


    You want to know how I know my opinion is objectively correct over yours?

  • XxXScorpionXxX#2310XxXScorpionXxX#2310 Registered Users Posts: 6,022
    edited March 7
    I mean I really just don't understand what people think Legend should sound like. If you don't have confidence that your own ideas are correct why would you even present them to CA? What would that even sound like?

    "Um, excuse me Mr. CA, I know you're busy and i want to thank you again for the great game you made. I have some pretty mediocre opinions on improving the game, but they're probably not very good. I'm sorry."
    Request scorched body textures, and fire death effects. At least 30% of all damage in this game comes from fire sources. Request Fire for the Fire God DLC.
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