Some Fishmen speculation (Sotek)

Wyvax · April 8

It's an interesting watch, that there is pretty heavy handed hints that they may be coming in AoS is pretty massive, potentially for the Old World as well? Time will tell.

Gangstamonkey214 · April 8

Fishbros we will rise to drown the surface dwellers

mecanojavi99 · April 8

People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?

Gangstamonkey214 · April 8

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?

no anon this isnt his speculation this is canon sources being drawn to a logical conclusion
behold the only canon artwork of a fishperson

WE RISE

Bies · April 8

Gangstamonkey214 said:

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?
no anon this isnt his speculation this is canon sources being drawn to a logical conclusion
behold the only canon artwork of a fishperson

WE RISE

hmmm only ?
behold!

Loreguy · April 8

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?

Is there something that indicate otherwise? Because there is enough Daemon LLs for Monos.

Beytran70 · April 8

Bies said:

Gangstamonkey214 said:

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?
no anon this isnt his speculation this is canon sources being drawn to a logical conclusion
behold the only canon artwork of a fishperson

WE RISE
hmmm only ?
behold!

Excuse me, those are MENfish not FISHmen, very different, clearly.

RonNL · April 8

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?

That’s not what he said, he said that he believes that the factions in the game are Daemons of X instead of fully explored monogods. And that the new factions added are Warrior of X factions.

Regardless the fishman are a fun theory

davedave1124 · April 8

Here are some actual new units in the art book:

Djau · April 8

Loreguy said:

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?
Is there something that indicate otherwise? Because there is enough Daemon LLs for Monos.

No there isn't.

xBlood_Raven · April 8

Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

DarthEnderX · April 8

Bies said:

"What do you smell?"

"Menfish!"

sykall · April 8

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?

PoorManatee6197 · April 8

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?

Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.

General_Hijalti · April 8

Loreguy said:

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?
Is there something that indicate otherwise? Because there is enough Daemon LLs for Monos.

Lol no there isn't.
Without using AoS, make 2 lord packs and 1 flc for monogods Without using mortals.

General_Hijalti · April 8

Anyone got a summary of the video

Goatforce · April 8

Gangstamonkey214 said:

mecanojavi99 said:
People, let's remember that Sotek is the same guy that thinks that the MonoGods will only get Daemon LL, so let's take anything he says with a bucket full of shalt, shall we?
no anon this isnt his speculation this is canon sources being drawn to a logical conclusion
behold the only canon artwork of a fishperson

WE RISE

God I want that in the game.... Hell if they are released as a model line too GW will likely be taking even more of my money!

sykall · April 8

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.

That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too

Rallado · April 8

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.

I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.

Kandrax · April 8

The Fishmen is the only thing that can save the game right now. Give us Fishmen! XD

DarthEnderX · April 8

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too

Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?

sykall · April 8

DarthEnderX said:

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too
Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?

I not say that its exactly the same, just that its a similar pattern. After all the Idoneth in WFB theory is very rudamentery and shallow if what I read is the gist of it.
Existed/planned for fantasy and released early in AoS.

But I did not aim for a perfect analogy, but just the first that came into my mind. And stormcast are too far removed from WFB for me to quickly come to my mind.

Rallado said:

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.
I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.

I am curious. How can you do that? Do you have some development insights?

Rallado · April 9

sykall said:

DarthEnderX said:

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too
Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?
I not say that its exactly the same, just that its a similar pattern. After all the Idoneth in WFB theory is very rudamentery and shallow if what I read is the gist of it.
Existed/planned for fantasy and released early in AoS.

But I did not aim for a perfect analogy, but just the first that came into my mind. And stormcast are too far removed from WFB for me to quickly come to my mind.
Rallado said:

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.
I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.
I am curious. How can you do that? Do you have some development insights?

You can say that, yes. Usually GW has a very strict "need to know" policy to prevent leaks. But by time they told us this Idoneeth were already in the street and is just a little curiosity they told us to exemplify how the development of armys works sometimes.

Crajoh · April 9

Kandrax said:
The Fishmen is the only thing that can save the game right now. Give us Fishmen! XD

and definitely need a "Not-Cthulu" SEM

Fingolfin_the-Golden · April 9

Yes please.

sykall · April 9

Rallado said:

sykall said:

DarthEnderX said:

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too
Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?
I not say that its exactly the same, just that its a similar pattern. After all the Idoneth in WFB theory is very rudamentery and shallow if what I read is the gist of it.
Existed/planned for fantasy and released early in AoS.

But I did not aim for a perfect analogy, but just the first that came into my mind. And stormcast are too far removed from WFB for me to quickly come to my mind.
Rallado said:

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.
I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.
I am curious. How can you do that? Do you have some development insights?
You can say that, yes. Usually GW has a very strict "need to know" policy to prevent leaks. But by time they told us this Idoneeth were already in the street and is just a little curiosity they told us to exemplify how the development of armys works sometimes.

interesting. I would like to know how GW designs a faction. Did they mention how the Idoneth were originially going to be, before they set on the sea theme?

Belisaurio · April 9

PoorManatee6197 said:

Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.

Idoneth were released Q2 2018. GW teased them early 2018 (after maggotkin), with few comments here and there about "undersea people" , and sea-like decoration on their Community posts.

Not sure if their sea-design was implemented later on because the first "rumormongers" (Atia, Bob, Hastings, etc...) already talked about Chulhu-elfs mid-2017.
@Rallado Do you have the post that GW talks about that? I'm really curious about that.

Rallado · April 9

sykall said:

Rallado said:

sykall said:

DarthEnderX said:

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too
Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?
I not say that its exactly the same, just that its a similar pattern. After all the Idoneth in WFB theory is very rudamentery and shallow if what I read is the gist of it.
Existed/planned for fantasy and released early in AoS.

But I did not aim for a perfect analogy, but just the first that came into my mind. And stormcast are too far removed from WFB for me to quickly come to my mind.
Rallado said:

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.
I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.
I am curious. How can you do that? Do you have some development insights?
You can say that, yes. Usually GW has a very strict "need to know" policy to prevent leaks. But by time they told us this Idoneeth were already in the street and is just a little curiosity they told us to exemplify how the development of armys works sometimes.
interesting. I would like to know how GW designs a faction. Did they mention how the Idoneth were originially going to be, before they set on the sea theme?

They told us is that originally the only thing that was clear was that they were elves. I guess that they started brainstorming from there and the sea theme came along the way. I mean, it wasn't something like: "let's make an elves sea themed army" it was "let's make an elves army" and the sea theme came later. But I don't think always is like this, I'm sure that sometimes they start with more especific ideas.

sykall · April 9

Rallado said:

sykall said:

Rallado said:

sykall said:

DarthEnderX said:

sykall said:
That is a bit shallow in my opinion. With the same logic fyreslayers clould also have been planned in WFB as semi-offical slayer-themed army list already existed, and they were one of the first factions too
Not exactly the same. Fyreslayers are basically Slayers, which were already IN WHFB.

The Sigmarines is a better comparison. Was GW planning to add them to The Empire before they decided to end WHFB?
I not say that its exactly the same, just that its a similar pattern. After all the Idoneth in WFB theory is very rudamentery and shallow if what I read is the gist of it.
Existed/planned for fantasy and released early in AoS.

But I did not aim for a perfect analogy, but just the first that came into my mind. And stormcast are too far removed from WFB for me to quickly come to my mind.
Rallado said:

PoorManatee6197 said:

sykall said:

xBlood_Raven said:
Sotek might be correct here, GW has a habit of hinting of things in advance and Fishmen have been teased for years in Warhammer Fantasy (it's believed the Idoneth Deepkin were meant to be them for Warhammer Fantasy before being transferred). The same thing is happening with Chaos Dwarfs with the Hobgrots making reference to them and the rumours of 'Oathbreakers' (would release well alongside Chaos Dwarfs in TWW!).

We know they're canon as well due to a number of sources over the years (a list of them below plus two pictures).

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/2933148/#Comment_2933148

They're the true footnote/meme race but I can see them making it in. Don't forget this Warhammer 3 reference to a 'Lumbrian sea monster'. Maybe Lumbria is real and has more relevance than we think.

The Idoneth were speculated to have been planned for WFB? How was that theory assembled?
Basically they were one of the first factions to be released to AoS and there had been some menfish mentions in the last edition so people assume GW was planning a maritime faction even before AoS.
I can tell you that the Idoneeth were not planned for fantasy. Also, the sea theme was added later in the design fase. At first they were planned just as a new Elve faction, the sea theme came later.
I am curious. How can you do that? Do you have some development insights?
You can say that, yes. Usually GW has a very strict "need to know" policy to prevent leaks. But by time they told us this Idoneeth were already in the street and is just a little curiosity they told us to exemplify how the development of armys works sometimes.
interesting. I would like to know how GW designs a faction. Did they mention how the Idoneth were originially going to be, before they set on the sea theme?
They told us is that originally the only thing that was clear was that they were elves. I guess that they started brainstorming from there and the sea theme came along the way. I mean, it wasn't something like: "let's make an elves sea themed army" it was "let's make an elves army" and the sea theme came later. But I don't think always is like this, I'm sure that sometimes they start with more especific ideas.

Thank you.

My guess would have been that they started with the sea and added the elves later though.

I would have liked to know with what kind of elven army they had started with brainstorming. Like was the soulraiding a thing from the beginning, or added later with the sea?

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