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What does the state of the game say about content creators from youtube?

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  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 12,453
    Legend is entertaining. But he still makes his money off CAs products (like a car salesman, they havent built the cars but they make their living of them).

    And he is as objective as a car salesman is.
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
  • ReeksReeks Registered Users Posts: 9,487
    Arsenic said:

    What should really concern the OP more is the gaming media that gave the game 8-9/10 scores.

    They don't have the excuse of dependency like the YouTubers do.

    Oh but they do, if they become known as a media outlet who goes for the throat they will in time be offered less and less pre-release access deals.
  • ReeksReeks Registered Users Posts: 9,487
    Neodeinos said:

    Shills. Look at Legend, he gave the RoC campaign an 8.5 and said it was better than the release TWW2 vortex.


    A week or so after release, he made a video yelling at CA and saying people shouldn't buy their games. Tells you all you need to know.

    And if you actually watched if review you'd know he recommended people to not buy the game in his review despite the score he gave. He also said to not pay too much attention to the score he gave because he's not good at this but obviously it's the only thing people are using to portray Legend as a shill. Seriously it's fine to criticise him but at least check your bloody information before spreading nonsense.
    it matters little what he said, he gave the game a high score when push came to shove, at the end of the day that´s what matters.
  • petherpether Registered Users Posts: 176
    Reeks said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Shills. Look at Legend, he gave the RoC campaign an 8.5 and said it was better than the release TWW2 vortex.


    A week or so after release, he made a video yelling at CA and saying people shouldn't buy their games. Tells you all you need to know.

    And if you actually watched if review you'd know he recommended people to not buy the game in his review despite the score he gave. He also said to not pay too much attention to the score he gave because he's not good at this but obviously it's the only thing people are using to portray Legend as a shill. Seriously it's fine to criticise him but at least check your bloody information before spreading nonsense.
    it matters little what he said, he gave the game a high score when push came to shove, at the end of the day that´s what matters.
    if he says the narrative is 2/10 you can't say it doesn't matter and blame him for not warning you that the narrative is 2/10
  • Surge_2Surge_2 Registered Users Posts: 9,706
    "I like money!" - CAs Marketing Arm aka, Youtubers.

    That's it, that's all.
    Glory matters not.

  • ConstantineZAynConstantineZAyn Registered Users Posts: 858
    pether said:

    Reeks said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Shills. Look at Legend, he gave the RoC campaign an 8.5 and said it was better than the release TWW2 vortex.


    A week or so after release, he made a video yelling at CA and saying people shouldn't buy their games. Tells you all you need to know.

    And if you actually watched if review you'd know he recommended people to not buy the game in his review despite the score he gave. He also said to not pay too much attention to the score he gave because he's not good at this but obviously it's the only thing people are using to portray Legend as a shill. Seriously it's fine to criticise him but at least check your bloody information before spreading nonsense.
    it matters little what he said, he gave the game a high score when push came to shove, at the end of the day that´s what matters.
    if he says the narrative is 2/10 you can't say it doesn't matter and blame him for not warning you that the narrative is 2/10
    He gave RoC an 8.5 and said it was better than release vortex. It most certainly isn’t.
    #JusticeForTzeentch
  • Rolf1989Rolf1989 Registered Users Posts: 515
    Man, I dislike the hate against youtubers.
    People in this tread have pointed out what the obvious problem is, but still diss them.
    Their livelihoods are dependent of their relationship with CA.
    They are doing CA's advertising for them, and if you got 'deceived' by them, then good. Apparently your parents haven't taught you to not trust advertising, but it's a pretty important lesson to learn, but a lot of 'gamers' seem to struggle with understanding that.

    Not defending CA, mind you, but damn.
  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,552

    Some people just refuse to acknowledge the situation. "Content creators" are CA's marketing arm. They will dance to CA's tune and, as has been proven multiple times in the past, if they stop dancing CA will not hesitate to cut them loose.

    Some of these Youtubers earn not-insignificant sums of money from their videos, meaning it is in their interest to keep the videos and clickbait rolling. CA and the Youtuber have a mutually symbiotic relationship - CA get advertising from these gurning, guffawing circus acts, Youtubers get ad revenue like there's no tomorrow.

    The only losers are everyone else. A Youtuber's main priority isn't to keep the fans informed; it's to keep income coming in. Being honest and truthful comes way down the list.

    This is the YTers problem, not the fans.

    If they demonstrate that their opinions are worthless, then that can harm their channels.
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  • dodge33cymrudodge33cymru Registered Users Posts: 3,193
    Kandrax said:

    The title! They were all saying the game was great, fabulous, and so on. And then we get this, a cheap, almost mobile-like unfinished game with abysmal mechanics.

    There were plenty of signs in those reviews, at least Cody's and PartyElite's I remember being very cautious.
  • BonutzBonutz Registered Users Posts: 5,215
    Because they’re paid to say they like the game.

    Not sure why this is such a big shocker to people. Lol. Don’t put stock in youtubers.

    Form your own opinions about the game.
    I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I’m all out of bubblegum.
  • BloodydaggerBloodydagger Registered Users Posts: 4,000

    Every streamer had the full game for more than a month before launch and none of them spoke up or provided any sort of meaningful feedback.

    Agreed. They failed as content creators. IndyPride is honestly the best one because he doesn't typically sugar coat things like most do.

  • petherpether Registered Users Posts: 176

    pether said:

    Reeks said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Shills. Look at Legend, he gave the RoC campaign an 8.5 and said it was better than the release TWW2 vortex.


    A week or so after release, he made a video yelling at CA and saying people shouldn't buy their games. Tells you all you need to know.

    And if you actually watched if review you'd know he recommended people to not buy the game in his review despite the score he gave. He also said to not pay too much attention to the score he gave because he's not good at this but obviously it's the only thing people are using to portray Legend as a shill. Seriously it's fine to criticise him but at least check your bloody information before spreading nonsense.
    it matters little what he said, he gave the game a high score when push came to shove, at the end of the day that´s what matters.
    if he says the narrative is 2/10 you can't say it doesn't matter and blame him for not warning you that the narrative is 2/10
    He gave RoC an 8.5 and said it was better than release vortex. It most certainly isn’t.
    He gave 8.5/10 to Warhammer 3
    And he gave 2/10 to RoC

    Sure, we can discuss if 8.5 is too much or not, that's subjective. I feel that at day0 WH3 is better than day0 WH2 (more content and better mechanics), but it really doesn't matter as it's a matter of a preference. What matters is you can't blame youtubers who clearly said RoC are 2/10 for the state of the game. Half of the Legend's review is him ranting how RoC are terrible and not fun. That info was clearly there. You can hate him all you want, but you can't watch his review (where he warns people how bad RoC is), buy the game for yourself, and then complain nobody said you RoC is bad.

    Unless you skipped entire review and only to get his final score, avoiding any concrete information, then no warning sign would help you...
  • petherpether Registered Users Posts: 176

    pether said:

    Reeks said:

    Neodeinos said:

    Shills. Look at Legend, he gave the RoC campaign an 8.5 and said it was better than the release TWW2 vortex.


    A week or so after release, he made a video yelling at CA and saying people shouldn't buy their games. Tells you all you need to know.

    And if you actually watched if review you'd know he recommended people to not buy the game in his review despite the score he gave. He also said to not pay too much attention to the score he gave because he's not good at this but obviously it's the only thing people are using to portray Legend as a shill. Seriously it's fine to criticise him but at least check your bloody information before spreading nonsense.
    it matters little what he said, he gave the game a high score when push came to shove, at the end of the day that´s what matters.
    if he says the narrative is 2/10 you can't say it doesn't matter and blame him for not warning you that the narrative is 2/10
    He gave RoC an 8.5 and said it was better than release vortex. It most certainly isn’t.
    He gave 8.5 to Warhammer 3
    And he gave 2/10 to RoC
    A big difference.

    Sure, we can discuss if 8.5 is accurate or too much - for me, day0 WH3 is better than day0 WH2 (more content and more fun mechanics), if you ignore RoC. But it is irrelevant as it is very subjective.

    What matters is that you can't blame youtuber who clearly said RoC is 2/10 for current state of the game. He never said RoC is good. Half of his review was ranting how he hates RoC, how stupid and unfun the narrative is. Even during NDA period it was clear he doesn't enjoy the mechanics of it. If you skipped his review only for a final moment to get overall score without caring for details you are the only one who can be blamed for wasting your money as no warning sign would ever stop you from doing it.

    You can hate his playstyle and despise his personality, but you cannot blame him for the game he did not develop, nor falsly praised. CA messed up with the narrative, his review clearly includes that info, if you missed it - it's not his fault
  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 4,704

    Every streamer had the full game for more than a month before launch and none of them spoke up or provided any sort of meaningful feedback.

    Agreed. They failed as content creators. IndyPride is honestly the best one because he doesn't typically sugar coat things like most do.
    You said it all.

    They are content creators, not impartial judges/truth bearers.
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 35,552

    Every streamer had the full game for more than a month before launch and none of them spoke up or provided any sort of meaningful feedback.

    Agreed. They failed as content creators. IndyPride is honestly the best one because he doesn't typically sugar coat things like most do.
    You said it all.

    They are content creators, not impartial judges/truth bearers.
    If they're demonstrable liars they're pretty bad at making content.

    Why would anyone ever care about a creator who waxed lyrical pre release then criticized post? Their opinions are worthless.
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  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 4,704

    Every streamer had the full game for more than a month before launch and none of them spoke up or provided any sort of meaningful feedback.

    Agreed. They failed as content creators. IndyPride is honestly the best one because he doesn't typically sugar coat things like most do.
    You said it all.

    They are content creators, not impartial judges/truth bearers.
    If they're demonstrable liars they're pretty bad at making content.

    Why would anyone ever care about a creator who waxed lyrical pre release then criticized post? Their opinions are worthless.
    People dont care though in general. They seem to still get their views. It’s astonishing actually.
    Content creators put out content, the worth of which is up for debate, but they put out content.
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  • Mr_Finley7Mr_Finley7 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 8,074
    Couldn’t they quietly say “I’m disappointed” without breaking their NDA? They could gush about some of the cool factions, models, and bespoke mechanics, but say overall they didn’t have fun.

    None of the big names really did that (from what I’ve gathered, I don’t really care about too many of those mfs to the extent where they’re going to influence my purchasing decision)
  • LegendaryArticunoLegendaryArticuno Registered Users Posts: 501
    Rolf1989 said:

    Man, I dislike the hate against youtubers.
    People in this tread have pointed out what the obvious problem is, but still diss them.
    Their livelihoods are dependent of their relationship with CA.
    They are doing CA's advertising for them, and if you got 'deceived' by them, then good. Apparently your parents haven't taught you to not trust advertising, but it's a pretty important lesson to learn, but a lot of 'gamers' seem to struggle with understanding that.

    Not defending CA, mind you, but damn.

    The only TW Youtuber that didn't lose their credibility was Zerkovich. He's an integral voice, since he's one of the few YTers that actually raises attention on bugs/flaws and provides evidence through testing.

    Shill and Cookies, Legend Total Shill, Italian Shillacus, and many more just did marketing on behalf of CA and really went out of their way to hide the state of the game at launch.
  • dge1dge1 Moderator Arkansas, USARegistered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 23,318
    Moved to Chat.
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  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,530
    YouTubers happily point out issues with the game, the difference is they don’t partake in rather tedious CA conspiracy theories.
  • Pat_MillerPat_Miller Registered Users Posts: 39
    These specialised youtubers obviously have a direct interest in the hype and the success of the game. That's why many of us found them very very lacking in realistic criticism before the game launched. As they started to see their subs going down, some of them began to embrass the general dissatisfaction but hey, it's a bit too late, my money is at CA already.

    Since this whole affair, I don't watch them so often, I find generalist youtubers more efficient at describing the game as it is.
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