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Stormfiends: Yay or Nay?

MattockMattock Registered Users Posts: 1,670
Built with cooperation between Clan Moulder and Clan Skryre, rat ogres with a controlling Skaven surgically attached, along with skryre weaponry.

Official model:


They were also redesigned in vermintide 2 to have less of a high tech, and more of a ramshakle feel.

Stormfiends: Yay or Nay? 158 votes

Yay (official model)
39%
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Yay (with a low tech redesign)
42%
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Nay
17%
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  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    I'm fine with the original models for the most part but even those need a few minor tweaks to be palatable in my opinion.
  • MattockMattock Registered Users Posts: 1,670
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    OdTengri said:

    I'm fine with the original models for the most part but even those need a few minor tweaks to be palatable in my opinion.

    I think it would look better if the metal looked like brass or scrap metal instead of blue. i get its supposed to look like Ikit claw, but still seems less skaveny.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)
    Due to them being special they should have armour similar to Ikit's as he would probably want them aesthetically attatched to him to lower the perception of Throt's involvement.
  • LegendaryArticunoLegendaryArticuno Registered Users Posts: 501
    Yay (official model)
    Official design only. You can barely tell Skyre worked on these in the Vermintide version.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)
    Although I think the Ratling Cannon type should have longer barrels and no chest weapon.
  • ladymissfitladymissfit Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 3,213
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    the fancy end times models are so counter to the skaven feel but i don't dislike them in theory. vermintide looks like a good idea
    Chaos lords should be women

    Army painter plox
  • MattockMattock Registered Users Posts: 1,670
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)

    Official design only. You can barely tell Skyre worked on these in the Vermintide version.

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)
    WHTW uses the brighter Eavy Metal style of colouring which is generally more liked (there's a reason why they do it).

    A Rat Ogre built up using the best Skaven Technology, cures the Rat Ogre's weakness and given the best weapons and armour will be given some extra special care by Skryre. It would suit the aesthetic of Ikit's best work, especially because as Skaven work better together they stop adding weaknesses to their own weapons due to a lack of trust.
  • SerPusSerPus Registered Users Posts: 8,486
    Yay (official model)
    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
  • MythrilSoulMythrilSoul Registered Users Posts: 1,037
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    skaven and cleanliness simply don't mix

    stormvermins are a coloborative project, so even in the theory that skryre is somewhat a "clean" clan i doubt Moulder is
    or that any other clan that buys then will keep them clean, expecially if they are pestilens afilliated, which half of the skaven race is.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)

    Although I think the Ratling Cannon type should have longer barrels and no chest weapon.

    The Chest Machine Gun is my biggest complaint of the official model.
  • UagrimUagrim Registered Users Posts: 1,994
    Nay
    Not really a fan of stormfiends especially since they're just weapon teams in monster form so one of them is going to end up being objectively better. And if thats the stormfiends (most likely) then its just power creep the game could use less off.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    Not for the Skaven, this isn't like the Russians that have Military Parade Tanks with the their vast Tank reserves rotting away in the field.

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.
  • DarthEnderXDarthEnderX Registered Users Posts: 3,110
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    Little bit too sci-fi, but I love the concept. The ultimate culmination of two Great Clan's research.

    Now they just need to create a unit that's the ultimate assassin armed with the ultimate bioweapons.
    "Assassination's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."
  • GoatforceGoatforce Registered Users Posts: 8,037
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    Would like to see them in. Verminlords imo are a significantly higher priority if it comes down to one or the other but yeah hopefully they will make the cut.

    Don't mind the original, think part of the problem is probably GW's overly clean painting style, a good deal of weathering would probably make them look far more appropriate, but as it stands between the two versions pictuered I prefer the VT one. I think a happy medium exists however with far more beaten armour being used, and used more sparingly, that would look best.



    Think the one on the right is coloured a lot better
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)

    Little bit too sci-fi, but I love the concept. The ultimate culmination of two Great Clan's research.

    Now they just need to create a unit that's the ultimate assassin armed with the ultimate bioweapons.

    I could be wrong but I think some of Eshin's most potent "Poisons" are the result of Clan Pestilence co-operation.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)
    OdTengri said:

    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    Not for the Skaven, this isn't like the Russians that have Military Parade Tanks with the their vast Tank reserves rotting away in the field.

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.
    I assume the initial batch will look good, especially for advertising purposes as that's the point of them, to sell for a high price. It's also fair to say those used by Ikit or Throt personally will be the best. Add to that why wouldn't they be representative of Ikit's armour style? It would make sense. Ikit's armour is blue and is considered high quality armour so it makes sense to make that as part of the marketing.

  • PocmanPocman Registered Users Posts: 5,601
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    Even their most sacred bells still look like they were built by a messy pre schooler using wood and glue. So no.
  • DarthEnderXDarthEnderX Registered Users Posts: 3,110
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    Goatforce said:

    Think the one on the right is coloured a lot better

    Yeah, the blue armor is a huge mistake, as it expressly invites Ultramarine comparisons.
    "Assassination's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."
  • arthadawarthadaw Registered Users Posts: 2,103
    Yay (official model)

    Official design only. You can barely tell Skyre worked on these in the Vermintide version.

    Well on the first hand, Clan Fester is not really rich, so they wouldn't get the premium stuff, and on the second hand, Clan Skryre's stuff is closer to Vermintide's one than the mini
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)
    The only thing they have is the colour blue, the patterning is random, they are overly complex (Like the weapon teams and their hamster wheel), they use brass, grease and dirt is painted on, have intrusive wired burying straight into their skin, rarely fully armoured and they have a brain and spinal column attached to their back. That's not a normal/clean device of war.

    I think people are get overly obsessed with the Eavy Metal paint style which CA hasn't really been that bothered about using.
  • SerPusSerPus Registered Users Posts: 8,486
    Yay (official model)
    OdTengri said:

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.

    Skaven are rational. If you have very expensive Rat Ogre that can use ranged weapons, then it's in your best interests to give it weapons that won't blow up after the first shot. And you want to send such beast in melee then it makes sense to use armor that can actually take a hit.
  • PoorManatee6197PoorManatee6197 Registered Users Posts: 2,200
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    That doesnt change that they dont visually go well with the rest of the skaven roster.
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  • PoorManatee6197PoorManatee6197 Registered Users Posts: 2,200
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    Stormfiends can be very cool with the correct painting, but official GW version is a no-no.
    #MakeDwarfsGreatAgain Josef Bugman, Thorek Ironbrow, Alrik Ranulfsson, Grimm Burloksson, Kazador Thunderhorn, Byrrnoth Grundadrakk, Malakai Makaisson, Gotrek Gurnisson, Garagrim, Dragon slayer, Deamon slayer, Doomseekers, Brotherhood of Grimnir, Giant slayers, Thunderbarge, Shieldbearer mount, Master brewer, Goblin Hewer, Norse dwarf war mammoth, Tractator engine, Rune golem, Shard dragon, proper Anvil of Doom, Ulther's dragon company, Lond Drong's slayer pirates, Everguard, Karak Varn, Karag Agrilwutraz, Karaz Bryn, Karag Dum, Karak Vlag, Kraka Dorden, Kraka Ornsmotek, Kraka Ravnsvake, Karak Vrag, Karak Azorn, Karak Krakaten.


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  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)

    OdTengri said:

    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    Not for the Skaven, this isn't like the Russians that have Military Parade Tanks with the their vast Tank reserves rotting away in the field.

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.
    I assume the initial batch will look good, especially for advertising purposes as that's the point of them, to sell for a high price. It's also fair to say those used by Ikit or Throt personally will be the best. Add to that why wouldn't they be representative of Ikit's armour style? It would make sense. Ikit's armour is blue and is considered high quality armour so it makes sense to make that as part of the marketing.
    Did you ever think that maybe Ikit is out of theme with the Skaven as well?
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)

    Stormfiends can be very cool with the correct painting, but official GW version is a no-no.

    The Official Model with the right paint job should be fine... but making them look like High Tech isnt the Skaven way. They are Bodged together kinda group.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    SerPus said:

    OdTengri said:

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.

    Skaven are rational. If you have very expensive Rat Ogre that can use ranged weapons, then it's in your best interests to give it weapons that won't blow up after the first shot. And you want to send such beast in melee then it makes sense to use armor that can actually take a hit.
    Skaven are not Logical... they are HIGHLY IRRATIONAL... that's their entire racial identity.

    Engineers don't share their knowledge willingly with each other and as a result everything is much closer to a bespoke handcrafted prototype than the product of machine standardization.
  • davedave1124davedave1124 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 19,634
    Yay (official model)

    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    That doesnt change that they dont visually go well with the rest of the skaven roster.
    Not that different from the guy who designed their armour.

    OdTengri said:

    OdTengri said:

    SerPus said:

    Mattock said:

    Except the 2 large flamethrowers spewing warp fire. Clan skryre aren't the clean skaven clan, their inventions use leather and brass metal beaten into rough shape, and they often explode:

    Stormfiends are the highest point of Skaven technology and a product of cooperation of two Great Clans. It's perfectly understandable that such valuable assets would look relatively good.
    Not for the Skaven, this isn't like the Russians that have Military Parade Tanks with the their vast Tank reserves rotting away in the field.

    Skaven aren't human and don't think like us.
    I assume the initial batch will look good, especially for advertising purposes as that's the point of them, to sell for a high price. It's also fair to say those used by Ikit or Throt personally will be the best. Add to that why wouldn't they be representative of Ikit's armour style? It would make sense. Ikit's armour is blue and is considered high quality armour so it makes sense to make that as part of the marketing.
    Did you ever think that maybe Ikit is out of theme with the Skaven as well?
    No, considering he's the most popular LL I'd say they did something right with his aesthetics.
  • SerPusSerPus Registered Users Posts: 8,486
    Yay (official model)
    OdTengri said:

    Engineers don't share their knowledge willingly with each other and as a result everything is much closer to a bespoke handcrafted prototype than the product of machine standardization.

    Who said anything about sharing? Stormfiends are made by Throt and Ikit.

  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 8,473
    Yay (with a low tech redesign)
    SerPus said:

    OdTengri said:

    Engineers don't share their knowledge willingly with each other and as a result everything is much closer to a bespoke handcrafted prototype than the product of machine standardization.

    Who said anything about sharing? Stormfiends are made by Throt and Ikit.
    Oh yeah.... all of them? Each and Every one? Seems a little far fetched that they are all personally crafted by just those 2 individuals.
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