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Redditor claims to have a fix for Diplomacy stutters and framedrops

DTAPPSNZDTAPPSNZ Registered Users Posts: 2,092
edited May 19 in General Discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/ut1pm9/is_this_true_and_if_so_can_we_get_more_attention/

"If you want further performance improvements, get the UI Performance mod, it fixes the stutter when you select anything from the UI such as the Diplomacy screen, Faction Screen, etc.

The engine is searching for files in a folder that has nothing in it, so it has to search the entire Warhammer 3 folder to find the files it needs to load the data. That's the stutter there... That's a simple fix CA could have done since Warhammer 1... It's always been an issue."

Could be all baloney, if it is mods can delete.
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  • BillyRuffianBillyRuffian Moderator UKRegistered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 40,685
    Apparently CA has advised the mod creator that they are looking into it. https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/3385883/#Comment_3385883
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  • DTAPPSNZDTAPPSNZ Registered Users Posts: 2,092
    edited May 19
    In layman terms the redditor says,

    the UI files in the folder the engine is searching for are not in said folder, therefore it has to search a lot more before it finds it.

    Hence why the small delay when bringing up things in the UI.

    If true, pretty funny oversight. CA definitely needs a deep clean.
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  • DTAPPSNZDTAPPSNZ Registered Users Posts: 2,092
    BillyRuffian said:

    Apparently CA has advised the mod creator that they are looking into it. https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/3385883/#Comment_3385883

    Cool, be interesting to see what comes of this.
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  • DrazhoaththeAshenDrazhoaththeAshen Registered Users Posts: 859
    DTAPPSNZ said:

    In layman terms the redditor says,

    the UI files in the folder the engine is searching for are not in said folder, therefore it has to search a lot more before it finds it.

    Hence why the small delay when bringing up things in the UI.

    If true, pretty funny oversight. CA definitely needs a deep clean.

    That small delay has a surprisingly big impact on your enjoyment of the game. Sitting on a high end rig I was getting frustrated with what I felt were large lag spikes opening Nurgle's cauldron menu. Even worse, there were lag spikes while mousing over the different symptoms. Spartan's mod completely fixed the issue, which is awesome.
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  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 12,757
    If this has always been the case how come wh2 doesnt have this?
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
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  • DTAPPSNZDTAPPSNZ Registered Users Posts: 2,092
    Tennisgolfboll said:

    If this has always been the case how come wh2 doesnt have this?

    Warhammer 2 does have this, we have just been conditioned to be use to it.

    There has always been a delay when dealing with UI elements.

    Hopefully when CA fixes this they thank the mod author.
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  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 5,818
    Meh.
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  • DTAPPSNZDTAPPSNZ Registered Users Posts: 2,092
    edited May 19
    Fingolfin_the-Golden said:

    Meh.

    Do you care about any changes to the game other than more bears?

    This would be a big optimization change for campaign map. It would make the campaign a more smoother experience. How is that "meh"?

    Did you think the potion of speed was "meh"?

    Edit: It could also lead to CA taking another look under the hood and potentially see more flaws in their file pathing.
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  • DragonbroodlingsDragonbroodlings Registered Users Posts: 318
    edited May 21
    I'm looking forward to this mod. It'll be the next one I install. It really does make one wonder how many other lines of code create monkey chases. Hopefully, more issues like this are found and brought up. There are some bizarre lag spikes for my mid to high end computer that still make no sense.
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  • BloodydaggerBloodydagger Registered Users Posts: 4,321
    Modders know more about the game and how to fix it than CA does it seems. Modders are always fixing CAs problems. Sometimes in a day. When it takes CA months to fix the same problem.

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  • TheGreatPamphletTheGreatPamphlet Riyadh, Saudi ArabiaRegistered Users Posts: 1,497
    Yeah, this is a very common problem and well-known in the modding community (see the Modding Den in discord). As others said, it's present in all recent titles, including 3K2.
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  • CanuoveaCanuovea Registered Users, Moderators, Knights Posts: 15,910
    Cleaned up a little bit of off topic chatter (which includes chatter about other posters rather than the topic).
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  • Vanilla_GorillaVanilla_Gorilla Registered Users Posts: 37,496
    Cool.
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  • TennisgolfbollTennisgolfboll Registered Users Posts: 12,757
    edited May 21
    DTAPPSNZ said:

    Tennisgolfboll said:

    If this has always been the case how come wh2 doesnt have this?

    Warhammer 2 does have this, we have just been conditioned to be use to it.

    There has always been a delay when dealing with UI elements.

    Hopefully when CA fixes this they thank the mod author.
    I have no delay and from the source:

    "This mod isn't a silver bullet to the problem. If you experienced UI stutters before, you'll probably still experience it with this mod, but maybe a bit less severe. If you weren't having performance issues before this mod, then DO NOT USE THIS MOD!"
    It needs to be pointed out that what people call "cheese" is just playing the game the way it actually exists not in some fictional way they think it is supposed to work.
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  • MasariusMasarius Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 1,351
    DTAPPSNZ said:

    In layman terms the redditor says,

    the UI files in the folder the engine is searching for are not in said folder, therefore it has to search a lot more before it finds it.

    Hence why the small delay when bringing up things in the UI.

    If true, pretty funny oversight. CA definitely needs a deep clean.

    I hate this kind of stuff, because it is 100% techdebt.

    There is already a ten year old jiraticket for that and someone higher up the chain decided it is not worthy to put effort (aka money) into it.

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  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 5,818
    DTAPPSNZ said:

    Fingolfin_the-Golden said:

    Meh.

    Do you care about any changes to the game other than more bears?

    This would be a big optimization change for campaign map. It would make the campaign a more smoother experience. How is that "meh"?

    Did you think the potion of speed was "meh"?

    Edit: It could also lead to CA taking another look under the hood and potentially see more flaws in their file pathing.
    Meh. It runs pretty well now I think.
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  • Fingolfin_the-GoldenFingolfin_the-Golden Registered Users Posts: 5,818
    Tennisgolfboll said:

    DTAPPSNZ said:

    Tennisgolfboll said:

    If this has always been the case how come wh2 doesnt have this?

    Warhammer 2 does have this, we have just been conditioned to be use to it.

    There has always been a delay when dealing with UI elements.

    Hopefully when CA fixes this they thank the mod author.
    I have no delay and from the source:

    "This mod isn't a silver bullet to the problem. If you experienced UI stutters before, you'll probably still experience it with this mod, but maybe a bit less severe. If you weren't having performance issues before this mod, then DO NOT USE THIS MOD!"
    Yep.
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  • LegendaryArticunoLegendaryArticuno Registered Users Posts: 501
    Lol modders easily fixing CA incompetence, name a more iconic duo.
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  • LegendaryArticunoLegendaryArticuno Registered Users Posts: 501
    BillyRuffian said:

    Apparently CA has advised the mod creator that they are looking into it. https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/comment/3385883/#Comment_3385883

    CA is going to put this on the 2023 roadmap and hype it up like it was a major fix.
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