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Lore question: the allure of Nurgle

OrontesOrontes Junior MemberRegistered Users Posts: 630
edited August 9 in General Discussion
Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

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  • XihuXihu Registered Users Posts: 206
    edited August 9
    Immunity to disease/pain.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 6,822
    edited August 9
    Orontes said:

    Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

    Freedom from pain and extended/everlasting life.


    Are you in pain? Well congrats, his pox will rot your nerves to the point where you are numb from all feelings. Afraid of dying because of old age causing your vitals to fail? Well here's a disease that will outright eat away and rot your vitals, but that's okay because the pustules and rotting mass of cancerous flesh that replaces it is what's keeping you alive now.

    Plus all that disease and decay more or less happens BECAUSE your life has been extended beyond the point your body can handle. Means beyond your mortal form is what will extend your life while your mortal flesh rots away like any normal body would over time.
  • ItharusItharus Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,203
    The only allure is to the perverse and wicked.

    Only Tzeentch's seeking of ultimate knowledge and power is pure.
  • steam_164286682793qjsl8Cesteam_164286682793qjsl8Ce Registered Users Posts: 49
    I think it's a case of peopel get infected by nurgles plagues, and they pledge their soul to nurgle out of desperation to survive and to make the pain stop.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 10,096
    Orontes said:

    Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

    Most don't seek out Nurgle... first they get sick... then they prey for a "cure".
  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 5,938
    edited August 9
    Orontes said:

    Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

    The allure of Nurgle comes from visiting you at your lowest and offering you salvation from your pain.

    Imagine you were on your death bed and a fly landed on you and whispered that it could save you. You need only to ask for salvation, that's the allure of Nurgle.
  • Tyrant#1234Tyrant#1234 Registered Users Posts: 3,928
    Nurgle isn't just decay and disease. He also represents the cycle of life, death and rebirth which normally involves a lot of pain and suffering (getting old and sick and all that). Nurgle offers to make that cycle joyful to followers rather than painful. By serving Nurgle followers can also stave off and delay the death part. They become effectively undead, but not undead in the traditional ones who die and are then reanimated or souls recalled in different ways. Nurgle followers just continues living long past when they should have died. Nurgle makes them feel no pain or discomfort, rather bliss in their decaying bodies which play host to creating new life, in the form of bugs, deseases and other biological nasties who cause death and eats the decaying creating more life and the cycle repeats.
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  • DarthEnderX-#6513DarthEnderX-#6513 Registered Users Posts: 4,375
    I never understood how he gets followers.

    Khorne offers strength and glory. Tzeentch offers knowledge and power. Slaanesh offers sexy times.

    Nurgle offers an eternity of being gross and fat...

    Like, yeah, he offers immortality. But so does everyone else. The only way I could see anyone signing up with him is if they aren't aware there are better options.
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  • PedePede Registered Users Posts: 1,858
    Well son, ehm.. Some people do like the more "lushious" types like Nurgle.

    Also he is kind hearted and treats people decent.

    Who i am to judge..

  • UagrimUagrim Registered Users Posts: 2,050

    I never understood how he gets followers.

    Khorne offers strength and glory. Tzeentch offers knowledge and power. Slaanesh offers sexy times.

    Nurgle offers an eternity of being gross and fat...

    Like, yeah, he offers immortality. But so does everyone else. The only way I could see anyone signing up with him is if they aren't aware there are better options.

    Nurgle is a end to struggle and torment, to just let go and see where the river takes you. Its freedom where other gods offer only power and conflict. His are the most joyful of chaos followers even if its an insane kind of joy because they all know how the journey ends with death. And they are mad enough to not care about being as you put it gross and fat it doesn't matter, nothing matters for in the end father nurgle claims all and even mountains will be grinded into nothing but dust among the winds. So why fight the futile fight and not just embrace entropy?
  • PedePede Registered Users Posts: 1,858

    I never understood how he gets followers.

    Khorne offers strength and glory. Tzeentch offers knowledge and power. Slaanesh offers sexy times.

    Nurgle offers an eternity of being gross and fat...

    Like, yeah, he offers immortality. But so does everyone else. The only way I could see anyone signing up with him is if they aren't aware there are better options.

    Never been sick eh? Imagine being mortally ill and in extreme pain. A voice tells you he can remove the pain an suffering if you just ask him. Would you not??

  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,554
    Nurgle does offer to some people cures for their ailments, grotesque and twisted as they are. They usually aren't 'pain free joyful cures' that others have characterized though. Rather, like all Chaos bargains, the person entering it is often misled or unaware of the **** downsides of the arrangement. Like most deals with the devil, people don't actually realize the true cost until it's too late to back out.

    ^This is just as true with Nurgle as it is with anyone. People do not enjoy Nurgle's 'cures'. They simply didn't realize how much the cures were going to suck at the time a bargain was struck due to tricks, lies, misinformation, or desperation.

    However, cures aside, one thing Nurgle DOES offer that might more genuinely tempt people, is death. Nurgle can also be seen as sort of a god of hospice. Not just to cure those who are sick and suffering. But sometimes people seek out Nurgle because they, or a loved one, is sick or dying and they simply want to pass on. So they pray to Nurgle to just 'end it' for them. Which he does, in a way.

    ^Again, people might beseech Nurgle to be killed....thinking they'll just 'quietly pass' and be buried. Nurgle instead kills them. The true essence of the person that they were anyway. And rebirths a grotesque slavish minion who has no essence of the person that they used to be.

    Not EXACTLY what the beseecher had in mind. But such is the nature of Chaos. The idea of what Chaos offers is tempting. But what Chaos ACTUALLY offers is a far more perverse and twisted version of that thing. That's true for Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Khorne, any of them.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,951
    He is the one and only chaos deity who requires no ambitions from his followers. He is a god of losers and there are plenty of them. Just be, rot, and maybe smile and all is fine.
  • LoreguyLoreguy Registered Users Posts: 1,721

    He is the one and only chaos deity who requires no ambitions from his followers. He is a god of losers and there are plenty of them. Just be, rot, and maybe smile and all is fine.

    Compare Festus and Vilitch before they were changed and told me who was bigger loser.
  • yolordmcswagyolordmcswag Registered Users Posts: 4,227
    Nurgle is the god of stagnation, of accepting and embracing the status quo. The draw to Nurgle is that in a horrible world where everything sucks and everything wants to kill you, instead of doing the impossible to change the world, just accept how much everything sucks, embrace it and be happy.

    Nurgle thrives on despair and terror. Nurgle offers both some of the most horrid ways to die, but also complete immunity from those deaths if you worship him. So the more afraid you are of Nurgle, the more likely you are to succumb and join him. It's the ultimate toxic relationship, everything is bad and Nurgle is the only one who can make you happy, even if he is the source of why things are bad to begin with. If you can't beat them join them, and Nurgle welcomes you with open arms.

    Also, all chaos worshippers seek immortality, but for most that only comes when ascending to deamonhood which is rare and very difficult. Nurgle offers the most gifts in terms of durability, regeneration, immunity to disease, poison etc.
  • lcmiraclelcmiracle Registered Users Posts: 909
    edited August 9
    The lure of Chaos is resonated different from person to person; for example, Valnir the Reaper was a grim, depressed man (Libre Chaotica), no victory could bring him joy and no nurishment could give him pleasure. That led him to the grim north that eventually saw him ascendant as a champion of Nurgle in life. Suffering is in his nature and Nurgle grants that in abundance.

    There's also the fact that most appear to turn to Nurgle for immortality -- while all champions seek to ascend to Daemonhood, few succeed; so being immune to diseases and capable of suffering all but the most grevious (or magical) wounds would help greatly in that. Count Gruber of March of Chaos, being a sick, senile Imperial Elector Count, sought out Nurgle specifically for immortality. Also, judging from WFRP 2E Tome of Corruption, a lot of Nurglite cultists were sick of some sort of plague in the first place, and turned to him for salvation.

    The above was true of Mortarion and the Death Guards in 40K, at least per the old lore.
  • NiggeyNiggey Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 206
    Nurgle is the only god who really loves his followers.

    Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life.

    (I am a Tzeentch fanboy though)
  • GoblinDoomStackGoblinDoomStack Registered Users Posts: 314
    Orontes said:

    Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

    Nurgle is despair. You don’t go to him hoping he’ll make things better, you go to him when you’ve given up any chance of things getting better, when you’re ready to embrace the decay and collapse and the end of everything because it all deserves to go.

    He is the most nihilistic of the chaos gods, his “love” for his children deeply ironic and if you’re thinking in terms of hoping to improve your lot in life then Nurgle is not the god for you.
  • GloatingSwine#8098GloatingSwine#8098 Registered Users Posts: 2,319
    Nurgle is the god of fortitude and endurance. Whatever terrible conditions you live in, he'll give you the will to put up with it.

    Nurgle isn't really despair. Nurgle is what's on the other side of despair.
  • Bereaver#4201Bereaver#4201 Registered Users Posts: 967
    edited August 9
    Nurgle also has "god of feritility" side. For example, Orghotts Daemonspew is spawn of Great Unclean One and human witch, and Glottkin also came to life because of Nurgle's blessing.

    As seen in Vermintide II, people also tend to ask Nurgle for prosperity, hence "The Society of Harmonious Growth and Splendour".

    Nurgle is also called Father of All, Ur-Father, God of Life and Death.

    Worship of Nurgle can explain why Norscans always have enough numbers to continue waging wars, because he is the god that people ask to increase their numbers, not Slaanesh.
  • GoblinDoomStackGoblinDoomStack Registered Users Posts: 314

    Nurgle is the god of fortitude and endurance. Whatever terrible conditions you live in, he'll give you the will to put up with it.

    Nurgle isn't really despair. Nurgle is what's on the other side of despair.

    I like that, right through despair and out the other side.

    It reminds me of the joker with his “if life becomes too unbearable you can always go insane” and “madness is the emergency exit”
  • Shogun_SanjuroShogun_Sanjuro Registered Users Posts: 344
    edited August 9
    Khorne is the best. (Even though I like Tzeentch's faction in-game).

    Slannesh fun-time? Nah, I'd rather bash skulls and fight forever!

    Books and wisdom? Won't help you when you're dead!

    Nurgle...? Ewwwwww. *teenage girl voice*
  • Tyrant#1234Tyrant#1234 Registered Users Posts: 3,928
    Valkaar said:

    Nurgle does offer to some people cures for their ailments, grotesque and twisted as they are. They usually aren't 'pain free joyful cures' that others have characterized though. Rather, like all Chaos bargains, the person entering it is often misled or unaware of the **** downsides of the arrangement. Like most deals with the devil, people don't actually realize the true cost until it's too late to back out.

    ^This is just as true with Nurgle as it is with anyone. People do not enjoy Nurgle's 'cures'. They simply didn't realize how much the cures were going to suck at the time a bargain was struck due to tricks, lies, misinformation, or desperation.

    However, cures aside, one thing Nurgle DOES offer that might more genuinely tempt people, is death. Nurgle can also be seen as sort of a god of hospice. Not just to cure those who are sick and suffering. But sometimes people seek out Nurgle because they, or a loved one, is sick or dying and they simply want to pass on. So they pray to Nurgle to just 'end it' for them. Which he does, in a way.

    ^Again, people might beseech Nurgle to be killed....thinking they'll just 'quietly pass' and be buried. Nurgle instead kills them. The true essence of the person that they were anyway. And rebirths a grotesque slavish minion who has no essence of the person that they used to be.

    Not EXACTLY what the beseecher had in mind. But such is the nature of Chaos. The idea of what Chaos offers is tempting. But what Chaos ACTUALLY offers is a far more perverse and twisted version of that thing. That's true for Slaanesh, Tzeentch, Khorne, any of them.

    No that's not Nurgle, Nurgle doesn't decieve he makes vague bargains which mortals accepts out of desperation and without reading the small print. How Festus became a servant is a prime example. Nurgle offers the knowlege to cure all plagues which he gives, but Festus pledging lifetime service now sees plagues in a different light once he becomes Nurgle's champion. Nurgle didn't renege on the deal, he gave Festus full knowledge of how plagues are created and cured, Festus simply had no desire to cure anymore. Nurgle never cures he offers deliverance from the suffering by rewiring the brain of followers to become numb to afflictions and to embrace it.

    People don't pray to Nurgle for cures or for death as far as I'm aware, people praying for cures would pray to Shallya or Isha and sometimes Nurgle answers instead. The only "cure" Nurgle might offer is killing off whatever desease with an even worse one, but the gift of Nurgle is they become appreciative of the affliction rather than suffer or be repulsed by them.

    Nurgle is the god of stagnation, of accepting and embracing the status quo. The draw to Nurgle is that in a horrible world where everything sucks and everything wants to kill you, instead of doing the impossible to change the world, just accept how much everything sucks, embrace it and be happy.

    Nurgle thrives on despair and terror. Nurgle offers both some of the most horrid ways to die, but also complete immunity from those deaths if you worship him. So the more afraid you are of Nurgle, the more likely you are to succumb and join him. It's the ultimate toxic relationship, everything is bad and Nurgle is the only one who can make you happy, even if he is the source of why things are bad to begin with. If you can't beat them join them, and Nurgle welcomes you with open arms.

    Also, all chaos worshippers seek immortality, but for most that only comes when ascending to deamonhood which is rare and very difficult. Nurgle offers the most gifts in terms of durability, regeneration, immunity to disease, poison etc.

    This is why Nurgle and Tzeentch are locked in a rivalry and hate eachother more than they hate other the Chaos Gods.
    Nurgle's eternal cycle of death and rebirth is a form of stagnation that prevents meaningful change which Tzeentch is always trying to achieve. They're twisted sides of the same coin. Tzeentch always wanting change also ironically creates a cycle, unless Tzeentch somehow manages the impossible and achieves constant state of change that doesn't repeating itself.

    The funny thing is Nurgle actually genuinly cares about his daemons and followers, it's why he's call Grand Father Nurgle, he gets upset if they die unnaturally and especially when their deaths doesn't result in the birth of something or the body doesn't go to feed something. He's all about maintaining the circle of life.
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  • EyeEye Registered Users Posts: 161
    edited August 9
    Orontes said:

    Can one learned in the ways of Warhammer explain the allure of Nurgle? Nurgle is the chaos god of decay and disease, correct? What is the attraction for a would be follower?

    Many people suffer grealtly in warhammer world and Nurgle promise them release from pain but in return they must accept their condition and current state of things and give up on dream of something new to became one with flow of live. That is what attract common people to Nurgle. HIs champions and warriors on the other hand have more varied and nuanced view on their god
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  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,951
    Loreguy said:

    He is the one and only chaos deity who requires no ambitions from his followers. He is a god of losers and there are plenty of them. Just be, rot, and maybe smile and all is fine.

    Compare Festus and Vilitch before they were changed and told me who was bigger loser.
    It doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, it is Nurgle who caters to losers.
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