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In the Lore, is Khorne just that much more better than the other 3 God's and their armies?

BloodydaggerBloodydagger Registered Users Posts: 4,595
That's what I think I see so far in WH3. Khorne is shaping up to be the best.

But what does the lore say?

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  • brago90brago90 Registered Users Posts: 1,430
    Khorne is slightly more powerful than the rest but only because Tzeentch allowed it.
  • Valkaar#2507Valkaar#2507 Junior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,554
    In the lore they go up and down. No single god or their armies are 'better' for any extended period of time.

    They rise and fall.

    Khorne is supposed to be the best in melee of course.
  • Nazjax#2857Nazjax#2857 Registered Users Posts: 2,522
    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.
  • GreenColouredGreenColoured Registered Users Posts: 6,822
    Nazjax said:

    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.

    Supposedly Tzeentch is wary of Slaanesh' potential to rise though.
  • YurisusukiYurisusuki Somewhere in LustriaRegistered Users Posts: 1,326

    Nazjax said:

    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.

    Supposedly Tzeentch is wary of Slaanesh' potential to rise though.
    Yeah, because technically, he can feed of the other gods obsession.
  • OdTengriOdTengri Registered Users Posts: 10,096

    IN THE LORE, IS KHORNE JUST THAT MUCH MORE BETTER THAN THE OTHER 3 GOD'S AND THEIR ARMIES?

    That's a difficult question, do you mean Best Performing, man to man? Because than I'd say no, they are about equal in ability.

    If you mean size of Armies, than yes Khorne being a Martial God can field more of his worshipers as soldiers.

    If you mean who has more power in the realms of Chaos than I believe it's Khorne but I can't remember I think it varies between 40k and Fantasy.
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,246
    Khorne is the most powerful god, canonically.
    Kneel

  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,939
    No but he is the god of cringe.

    #givemoreunitsforbrettonia, my bret dlc


  • ConstantineZAynConstantineZAyn Registered Users Posts: 1,033
    Best lesser daemon: bloodletters
    Best cavalry: bloodcrushers
    Best greater daemon: bloodthirster

    Yeah, Khorne wins.
    Daniel was a mistake.

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  • Otters007Otters007 Registered Users Posts: 1,552
    My understanding of the lore is that the 'power levels' of the Gods generally are;

    Khorne
    Tzeentch
    Nurgle (can sometimes reach no.1 when the mortal world has tonnes of plagues)
    Slaanesh

    Khorne has the greatest amount of territory in the realm of chaos and I am sure he has been described as first amongst the gods (a position which used to be held by Tzeentch).
  • Surge_2#1464Surge_2#1464 Registered Users Posts: 11,246
    saweendra said:

    No but he is the god of cringe.

    Spoken like an absolute bretonnian peasant.

    Calls to Honour? Khorne.
    Martial Pride? Khorne.
    Glory in battle? Khorne.

    When you cry out for the lady, it's Khorne that hears the cries on the battlefield. ;)

    All returns to Chaos.
    Kneel

  • Mogwai_ManMogwai_Man Registered Users Posts: 5,938
    No, the balance of powet shifts. It's why the great game between them is eternal.
  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 5,324
    Nazjax said:

    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.

    Khorne never started a 1v3 nor did Tzeentch drive his daemons crazy.

    Tzeentch did that to Skarbrand because it was fun
  • bli-nk#6314bli-nk#6314 Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 5,919
    edited August 11
    Khorne because his power grows from most types of conflict so opposing him openly tends to strengthen him.

    Tzeentch can challenge Khorne as his power is about all the ways to get what you want without open conflict and can easily lead those astray who believe they worship Khorne, even daemons fall to Tzeentch.

    Nurgle is nearly unbeatable but that doesn't mean much most of the time as his followers definitely are but Nurgle draws power from the life/death cycle and most of the emotions around that separate from those which feed the other Gods. There are supposedly natural parts of the cycle of time that are more fecund or more oriented toward decomposition and decay and in the extremes of those natural cycles Nurgle's power waxes when there are periods of great plagues spreading over much of the land for example.

    Slaanesh is the youngest and born primarily from the deep emotions of the Elves but specializes in temptions, to pleasure, pain, pride, greed, almost everything not battle oriented like wrath or rage which are Khorne's or knowledge and misdirection which are Tzeentch's.

    Theoretically that makes Slaanesh very strong against any mortals who are subject to great temptations, relatively weak vs most daemons who mirror their patron gods but there is a point when glorying in slaughter or the pursuit of knowledge can turn into an obsession where Slaanesh can gain leverage even with daemons. VS the other gods though Slaanesh has the smallest daemon armies and relatively fewer fully corrupted followers often because Slaanesh stretches out the seduction.
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  • lcmiraclelcmiracle Registered Users Posts: 909
    Well, Khorne is portrayed as the dominant Chaos God most of the time. In 8th edition Daemons of Chaos army book, page 8, the first sentence under "The Blood God's Domain" states that

    "The largest of the kingdoms in the Realm of Chaos is that of Khorne, the God of Battle."

    And

    "Though Khorne is the greatest of the brothers, he is not all-powerful. Tzeentch is his closest rival, but if the circumstances are right then Nurgle - and sometimes Slaanesh — can rise to be his equal or eclipse him entirely."

    So in terms of power, Khorne > Tzeentch > Nurgle > Slaanesh. But the Great Game is eternal and the tides of power is fickle at best. In the aftermath of the Great War Against Chaos, for example, Tzeentch and Nurgle managed to displace Khorne, at least for a time

  • saweendra#3399saweendra#3399 Registered Users Posts: 18,939
    edited August 11
    Surge_2 said:

    saweendra said:

    No but he is the god of cringe.

    Spoken like an absolute bretonnian peasant.

    Calls to Honour? Khorne.
    Martial Pride? Khorne.
    Glory in battle? Khorne.

    When you cry out for the lady, it's Khorne that hears the cries on the battlefield. ;)

    All returns to Chaos.
    Nah i am fully devoted to ze lady my calls are for her and her only .

    Inappropriate Comments removed.
    Post edited by dge1 on

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  • DarthEnderX-#6513DarthEnderX-#6513 Registered Users Posts: 4,375
    On paper, you would THINK that the god of ripping things apart would be better at war than the god of ****ing, the god of reading, or the god of calling in sick.
    "Assassination's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it."
  • 1v0#35621v0#3562 Registered Users Posts: 2,290
    edited August 11
    If you are asking why his units have great stats:

    It's just that Khorne is more "in your face" thats why his units stats are the best. Because that is what they are best at

    While the other are good too but not in the same way.
    Nurgle might not have the best armys but he will weaken his enemys with plagues and heal his units.
    Tzeentch might not have the best stats but that shield(ward) and spells will do the job.
    Slaanesh might not have HP or stats , but it's good at duels and vassals - he can vassalize half of the world and let them do the job.

    As for the lore Yea he is the most powerful, normally YES, but the balance aways shifts so...
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  • Djau#5149Djau#5149 Registered Users Posts: 12,068
    It was Tzeentch who almost won the Great Game.

  • GloatingSwine#8098GloatingSwine#8098 Registered Users Posts: 2,319

    Nazjax said:

    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.

    Supposedly Tzeentch is wary of Slaanesh' potential to rise though.
    All three of the others secretly fear Slaanesh because they recognise that they themselves are fallen to excess.
  • MaedrethnirMaedrethnir Senior Member Registered Users Posts: 16,951
    Surge_2 said:

    saweendra said:

    No but he is the god of cringe.

    Spoken like an absolute bretonnian peasant.

    Calls to Honour? Khorne.
    Martial Pride? Khorne.
    Glory in battle? Khorne.

    When you cry out for the lady, it's Khorne that hears the cries on the battlefield. ;)

    All returns to Chaos.
    It is Khorne who hears it, but it is Slaanesh who:


  • Harkovast#1792Harkovast#1792 Registered Users Posts: 2,741
    Khorne is generally the most powerful but it goes up and down.
    In the past tzeentch was generally the most powerful.
    Slaanesh may be most powerful generally in the future.
    Nurgle has had periods of dominance when plagues are spreading but then it dies down as the plagues do.

    But none of them can ever truly "win" the great game.
    By their nature, the chaos gods will always wax and wane.
    They are always locked in endless struggle.

    At any given moment one of them could be winning or losing.
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  • General_HijaltiGeneral_Hijalti Registered Users Posts: 5,324
    They constantly change position. Through the only one who ever came close to winning was Tzeentch
  • TenraiSenshiTenraiSenshi Registered Users Posts: 38
    The thing is, if you just look at things face value, it might be easy to pick one chaos god over another and call it a day, but the game is a long-term affair and there's more to it than what we see on the surface.

    At one point, Tzeentch was the dominant of the four gods, to the point where the other three united to overthrow him, and although Tzeentch easily cast down Nurgle and Slaanesh, Khorne stood his ground and battled the god of change in a calamitous battle, which ended in Tzeentch being hurled from a mountain and shattered into countless pieces. Each shard of Tzeentch shifted form to become a spell or incantation (which according to legend is the source of magic).

    At this point, Khorne became the dominant of the four, but while this turn of events may seem like a fall from grace for Tzeentch, it could also be seen as a necessary event for him, perhaps even orchestrated by Tzeentch himself. Tzeentch is, after all, the lord of change, and he derives his power from the chaos, hope and uncertainty that change brings. Him reigning at the top for so long might be seen as a form of stagnation (the antithesis of what Tzeentch represents and something more in line with Nurgle), and him being usurped also ushered in a great change that may, in the long run, benefit Tzeentch more.

    This is supported by the lore around the blue scribes, who are tasked with searching the realms for all of Tzeentch's lost shards, which they do by recording every spell or magic they encounter. The issue is that from their knowledge of magic, mortals create new spells all the time, and so the pieces multiply, and if they're ever returned to the source, Tzeentch would in effect be more powerful than he was before the shattering (excerpt below).

    "Judging his work to be good, the Great Sorcerer sent his creations out into existence to complete their quest. In truth, the Blue Scribes can never complete their task, for magic has multiplied in the service of mortals. This is well for Xirat'p and P'tarix and for existence itself. Should the Blue Scribes complete their task, Tzeentch would swallow them, reuniting the lost fragments of his being and absorbing the extra power born along the way. It is doubtful that any creature, mortal or Daemon, would survive such a renewal."

    As for Nurgle, he is the oldest of the four gods (in Warhammer fantasy at least), because the process of death and decay from which he draws his power is as "ancient as life itself". This also means that in the long term, he might also be the last god to remain, because when life eventually withers and fails and even the stars themselves are expunged, all that will be left will be death and decay, and Nurgle.

    Slaanesh is the dark hourse of the four, because although he is the youngest and currently the least prominent, he also has the most potential.

    "While none of them would openly acknowledge it, the other major Ruinous Powers secretly fear Slaanesh. While Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch fuel wars, plagues, and machinations, respectively, within the world of mortals, Slaanesh gains power by feeding Humanity and the other mortal races' darkest urges, stoking the fires of all that drives mortals forward. Ultimately, such power is self-sustaining, for heresy begets heresy. One day, Khorne will run out of foes, Nurgle's tally of plagues will be completed, and Tzeentch's schemes shall reach their conclusion. None, however, can foresee a time when Men and other mortals shall set aside their darkest passions and selfish desires and forego that which they most crave."

    In the end, each of the gods represents the concept of "power" in a different way, so it's hard to compare them or to judge which is truly the most threatening, which is maybe the point. If you just look at raw power, then it's easy to turn your head to Khorne or Tzeentch who represent martial and magical might respectively. But there's more to power than that, and sometimes the more subtle or inconspicuous forms of power or influence are the most deadly.
  • Nazjax#2857Nazjax#2857 Registered Users Posts: 2,522

    Nazjax said:

    From what i've read it's close beetwin Nurgle/Tzeentch/Khorne.

    I still think Khorne and Tzeentch are the 2 more powerful. Khorne started a war against others gods besieging their ''citadels'' and almost beat them 1v3, but then Tzeentch have driven his demons crazy (including Skarbrand) and it's when Skarbrand got banished for attacking Khorne himself because tricked by Tzeentch.

    So only Tzeentch managed to stop Khorne, but Khorne wreaked havoc alone against the three.

    Slaanesh is supposed to be the weakest of the 4 ! It's the younger god and he is very powerful against mortals but less against demons and even less against gods where his seduction is useless.

    Khorne never started a 1v3 nor did Tzeentch drive his daemons crazy.

    Tzeentch did that to Skarbrand because it was fun
    That's litteraly mentionned in 8th edition page 36.





    Translation for you :

    The Blood Drinker Skarbrand was once the greatest of the Demons of Khorne. He was the marshal of his armies and none was more prominent in the eyes of the Blood God. It was he who broke the gates of the first palace of Slaanesh and slaughtered its occupants, he who triumphantly led the Ost of Murder against the combined armies of the other three gods. In all the years of Khorne's existence, no one has piled more skulls than Skarbrand at the foot of his throne, or shed the blood of so many warriors and innocents. This Blood Drinker was Khorne's favorite more than any other.
    However, he was so vain that Tzeentch had little trouble fanning the flame of his pride. On a dark day, when Khorne's attention was focused on other things, Skarbrand allowed himself to be blinded by his anger and dealt a terrible blow to the Lord of the Skulls. Despite his terrifying strength, which had previously enabled him to raze entire cities, Skarbrand was unable to penetrate Khorne's bronze armor, and only tore off a single shard. However, this was enough to attract his master's attention and arouse all the anger he could muster.

    Boiling with rage, Khorne grabbed his demon by the throat. Then he cursed Skarbrand's name and erased his entire personality, leaving only the anger that drove him to attack his lord. Climbing the highest tower of the Brazen Citadel, Khorne threw Skarbrand into the depths of the Chaos Realms and banished him forever. Skarbrand fell for eight days and nights, a terrifying meteor streaking across the gloomy sky. The impact of his fall tore an abyss and tore his wings. Since that fateful day, Skarbrand has roamed the mortal and immortal realms, seeking to drown his sin in the blood of his victims.
  • xDEMOSxxDEMOSx Registered Users Posts: 1,345
    The real power of the god itself is not very well described, but of his armies there are some references.

    And it's all very volatile, in open war Khorne would probably win, there are many quotes of him being dominant, expansive and oppressive against his brothers in the realm of chaos, but it's not all about frank and open war, the other 3 can win the big game using other artifices such as manipulation, sabotage, they are better diplomats, change the field in their favor, corrupt the largest number of creatures, a kind of overpopulation and etc.

    But I suspect that 1v1, which never happens when it comes to the big game, Khorne would be the strongest.
    But all are equally dangerous, and have a chance of winning the big game, depending on the circumstances.


  • Lord_Zarkov#7252Lord_Zarkov#7252 Registered Users Posts: 1,802
    They also ebb and flow depending on the exact balance of emotions going on amongst mortals and how the gods compete against each other.

    The average position is Khorne > Tzeentch > Nurgle > Slaanesh, but the exact position and balance of power at a given moment could be completely different.
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