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Which of these laptops

luckylimburgerluckylimburger Senior MemberPosts: 1,856Registered Users
edited January 2011 in Technology
I want to buy a new laptop (I know desktops are better for gaming, but I really need a laptop). I've already had a look and I found three laptops which look like they will be able to run games on the high to ultra settings. I however don't really know a lot about hardware, so I need a little help which one to choose. The three laptops are on the following site (I know you it's in Dutch, but I trust you can get all the information you need from it).
http://www.vergelijk.nl/compare/16951678/19059539/19614933/
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    Doh! Integrated chips... Not hopeful.

    Well we have a native Dutch speaker and a native German speaker who will probably be better at this than I am but to the extent I can dope it out I will give you my opinion...

    These all have respectable sounding cpus, although the i5 520
    http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei5/mobile/specifications.htm
    stock is within the S2 minimum specs as defined for a dual core (which the 520m is), its not by much. However it TURBOs to 2.93, so thats good! (although it may point to heat and good to have a cooling pad for your laptop)

    The i7 entries (720qm and 740qm)
    http://www.intel.com/products/processor/corei7/mobile/specifications.htm
    are both below the minimum S2 clock speed of 2ghz at stock for a dual, but might get a pass because they are quads...but because they turbo to 2.8 and 2.93 respectively, they are pretty good! Once again, though, I would have that cooling pad!

    All systems have at least the recommended 4 gigs of ddr3, and one has 6! Wow, thats a lot for a laptpop... And plenty for the game.

    Now for the not so good news...
    Firstly let me say that I found an interesting challenge in trying to figure out which chip was the one named in the first laptop (N11P-GE1), which is the codename for the GT 330M. This as it turns out simplifies things as two of your choices have the same chip, while the other has the GT 425M. So we'll just compare those.

    A highly complex (and tiny to read for blind old people like me!) but very detailed and exhaustive comparison of the 330m to many other mobile chips is here:
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-330M.22437.0.html
    And here is the same blinding charting for the 425m
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-Geforce-GT-425M.34152.0.html

    You will see the GT425 M is superior there as well and as you look further down will see individual titles where these have all been tested and you can click the compare button to see results. I have not looked for your individual total systems, but those are also listed in an amazing variety, they may very well be there-I just don't have a big enough magnifying glass to keep from getting a headache.

    While this is abstracting from system and resolution, and these are hardly scientific, just looking at the card in a huge bank of other graphic solutions does help a little bit though to get the idea of relative strength, so here is the gt 330m
    http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=GeForce+GT+330M

    And here is the gt 425m
    http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?cpu=GeForce+GT+425M

    Finally take a look at some of the recommended cards near the top of the chart (AMD/Radeon 5xxx and 6xxx cards, or NVidia 4xx and 5xx for comparison). In comaprison to top cards, the 425m is getting about 16.5 to 20% of the performance. There are better specific benches for all of these cards, but not together. With them all on the same chart, this is a fairly useful chart for overall impression. Its unfortunately, probably not as good an impression as you might hope. Sorry,

    Al
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  • luckylimburgerluckylimburger Senior Member Posts: 1,856Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    I also figured the 425m would be better, but is the difference big enough to allow for higher graphics. I currently run NTW on high to ultra with the ATI mobility Radeon 4650 which is ranked lower than the 425m on this list.Mobile Graphics Cards
    What are the rest of the specs like?
    Doh! Well we have a native Dutch seaker and a native German speaker who will probably be better at this than I am but to the extent I can dope it out I will give you my opinion...
    Do you know an English site where you can compare different laptops like this? If you do I'll use that one.
  • lordmaximus77lordmaximus77 Technical Moderator Leeuwarden, NLPosts: 3,337Registered Users, Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    Native dutch speaker here.

    AlJabberwock is right. From the three models you selected the ASUS with the GT425M is without a doubt your best choice when it comes to gaming.

    Another "advantage" the ASUS model has is the lower screen resolution than the other two. For normal desktop usage you might call that a disadvantage but in this case its an advantage. Higher resolution screens need faster graphics cards.

    The combination of a GT425M graphics chip and a screen resolution of 1366 x 768 might perform good enough to create playable framerates.


    But beware: The difference in perfomance compared to mid range desktop cards or high end laptop GPU's is huge.

    The GT425M only has 96 shader units. A mid range Desktop GPU like theGTX460 or a high end mobile GPU like GTX485M has 384 shader units. That's a factor 4 in processing power. (Thats not even counting clock speeds differences)
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  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    I may have edited my post while you were typing... You might want to look at the charts I put up.

    Generally, those systems are quite good except for the imbedded chips, which, I am afraid are not very good in comparison with anything that is in the S2 recommended list.

    EDIT:Thanks lordmaximus! I was able to sort of sort out the major bits, but its always good to know for sure!
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  • luckylimburgerluckylimburger Senior Member Posts: 1,856Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for your replies. I'll have a look if I can find any laptops with better graphic cards.
  • lordmaximus77lordmaximus77 Technical Moderator Leeuwarden, NLPosts: 3,337Registered Users, Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for your replies. I'll have a look if I can find any laptops with better graphic cards.

    If buying a notebook could wait a few weeks you might want to keep an eye out for notebooks with Intel's new Sandy Bridge CPU and Nvidia 5xx series or AMD 6xxx series GPU's.

    There's a lot of brands out there that are going to release new laptop models based on those components the coming weeks.
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  • luckylimburgerluckylimburger Senior Member Posts: 1,856Registered Users
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for the tip. I'm not really in a hurry to buy a new one. It's just something which I would like to do somewhere in the coming few months.
  • AlJabberwockAlJabberwock Moderator USAPosts: 7,729Moderators, Tech Moderators, Knights
    edited January 2011
    lordmaximus is right... The longer you wait, the more new stuff will come out, either to be availble where it wasn't before, or to drive down the almost-new stuff, getting you a waaay better deal on better stuff than you might have for the same euros :)
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